Help needed! URGENT!

[Ike Godsey]

does anyone know what this is?
http://www.egun.de/market/item.php?id=4218421

i have contacted the seller and asked about that flinter, but he replies that he does not know what it is.

since i did not find it in my books, i am searching for help. every hint is more than welcome.

ike

EDIT:

just in case if the basics are to hard to understand it says:

caliber: 19mm = .748 inch or 11ga.
barrel lenght: 85cm (ca. 33.5 inch)
overal length: 124 cm (ca. 48.5 inch)
barrel ist octagon at the breech for about 1/3 of its length.

 

[okawbow]

Looks French carbine, about 1750. Don't know . The lock looks French for sure.

 

[Va.Manuf.06]

I have to disagree with okawbow. I think his date estimate is very close but it is most certainly not French though it has some French influence. The lock and extended butt plate tang show Germanic influence. My feeling is that it is more likely Scandinavian or one of the minor German states or principalities. I wish I could offer a firm answer but that is the best I can do and I may be proven at least partially wrong. I do think that the price is good so far, at least on the American market. Ike Godsey, I hope someone can offer more help to you.

 

[Ike Godsey]

I do think that the price is good so far, at least on the American market.

i am sorry, i do not understand. do you mean the price is too high?

 

[tenngun]

I wonder if its an officers fusil or a cadit gun,maybe made by a private gun maker for a gentleman. What ever it is its fun to look at

 

[Ike Godsey]

well, on a close look at the lock, i noticed those things:

1) the top jaw screw is a (maybe home made?) replacement.

2) the lockplate has two unplugged holes between the two wings of the frizzen spring. not sure whay that would be - maybe some alternation?

3) the lower edge of the lockplate does have a different line than the wood it is in (maybe a lock change?)

comments?

 

[Jason Lewis]

no, he means that for american prices it's a good buy. but i don't know what that would mean in euros. :idunno:

 

[huntinguy]

seems like I just saw one of these on, maybe... Longrifle Forum...?????

I think it is Dutch or Scandinavian martial musket. I would guess late 1700's. It looks like it may have had the lock replaced and maybe a few other things done at some time, maybe by the armory.

 

[pargent]

Stock shape suggests post 1770 :idunno: about origin.

 

[Matt85]

no, he means that for american prices it's a good buy. but i don't know what that would mean in euros. :idunno:

its current price while i post this is 232.50 EUR which comes out to around $310 US dollars. id say its a good deal, buy it and tell us how it turns out!

-matt

 

[hawkeye2]

#2. One of those is the end of the lock screw coming from the other side. The other is the end of the screw that holds the pan assembly to the plate. The screw comes from inside threading into the lock plate.

 

[jdkerstetter]

#2. One of those is the end of the lock screw coming from the other side. The other is the end of the screw that holds the pan assembly to the plate. The screw comes from inside threading into the lock plate.

You are, of course, correct in reference to the 2 filled holes between the hammer and the pan but...

...in issue #2 he's talking about the two small "unfilled" holes between the arms of the frizzen spring.

One hole, I'm sure is for the stud on the top arm of the mainspring. The other is probably for the stud on the original spring indicating that it has been replaced with a non-armory replacement at one time.

Comparing the lock internals to a lock in known original condition will confirm this. This is not at all an uncommon repair over the long life of these guns.

Enjoy, J.D.

 

[Ike Godsey]

#2. One of those is the end of the lock screw coming from the other side. The other is the end of the screw that holds the pan assembly to the plate. The screw comes from inside threading into the lock plate.

You are, of course, correct in reference to the 2 filled holes between the hammer and the pan but...

...in issue #2 he's talking about the two small "unfilled" holes between the arms of the frizzen spring.

One hole, I'm sure is for the stud on the top arm of the mainspring. The other is probably for the stud on the original spring indicating that it has been replaced with a non-armory replacement at one time.

100% correct as for the holes.
i also believe that this might be the result of any alternation.

Comparing the lock internals to a lock in known original condition will confirm this. This is not at all an uncommon repair over the long life of these guns.

Enjoy, J.D.

you maybe true here too. he problem is firstly to find out what exactly this is to be able to search for a other musket to compare with... :wink:

 

[jdkerstetter]

...The problem is firstly to find out what exactly this is to be able to search for a other musket to compare with... :wink:

There in lies the problem. I can't help with that I'm afraid as I have not seen one exactly like this in my library.

Good Luck and be sure to let us know what you find out. Enjoy, J.D.

 

[hawkeye2]

Duhh I see them now! Would you believe I was just testing you guys to see how sharp you are? :wink:

 

[krolick]

This one is a bit tougher. I went through my books and found some good matches. Germanic/Prussian,Austrian artillery carbines dating apx. 1770-1790. The cock is a replacement (note: small pawl directly in back of the cock) that acted as a catch like a doglock. The cock that's on there now not only looks out of place but has no cut out for that pawl to engage. Interestingly, some 18th century Spanish military pieces are fit with this extra pawl/catch and share similarities with the mystery musket. However, they were mounted in brass. Hope that helps. GS

 

[huntinguy]

http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=24589.0

does it look close to this?

 

[Ike Godsey]

http://americanlongrifles.org/forum/index.php?topic=24589.0

does it look close to this?

:surrender: your link does not work :idunno:

 

[huntinguy]

Dang, I can't make the link feature work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cursing:

So, http://americanlongrifles. org and do a search for "Swedish M/1815-49 Musket "

dang, even this is coming out wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!

when you put it in the browser remove the space between . and org

:redface:

 

[jdkerstetter]

Rule #16 Do not post links to sites that contain Muzzleloading Forums. Under the "Forum Rules" tab above. Enjoy, J.D.