interesting thread. When I bought my Thompson Center Hawken .50 caliber percussion cap rifle back in 1990 I knew nothing about muzzleloading. I had read somewhere never to put any petroleum products inside the bore of the rifle, because when you shoot black powder it turns that oil into tar and it’s hard to get out of the barrel. So I have never used anything inside my bore except for natural products like TC bore butter. After i shoot i remove the barrel from the stock and stick the breech end into a bucket of very hot soapy water and with my range rod and tight fitting parches i draw the water into and out of the barrel through the nipple, thereby cleaning the nipple and barrel. When the water stops coming out dirty i set the hot barrel aside to dry. Then i run a dry patch or two down to verify the bore is clean and dry. I don’t own a bore scope but a light shined down the barrel reveals an extremely shiny bore. Then i lube the bore with a patch impregnated with more natural lube. Before i shoot again i run a dry patch down the bore to see what comes out. I have yet to see any rust on a patch yet. I have never put any petroleum inside the barrel for cleaning, lubrication or to prevent rust. Now i think i want to get a bore scope to see what i can see. With a small flashlight everything looks good, the bore is shiny as new as viewed with the naked eye. Accuracy hasn’t suffered a bit in all these years. I am curious what others thoughts are regarding natural versus petroleum products in the bore of a muzzleloading rifle. From running patches to shooting to accuracy all seems well with what i have been doing. Now i have one more item to add to my Christmas list.