well, was shooting 45grs out of mine armi sport .45 kentuckian rifle behinde .44 prb and, that was too much for punching paper. tryed 25grs and, POI is same! :hmm: that aint normal! i was expecting lower shots but, nothing happen. it really fun to shoot 25grs, no noise, no recoil and, since i dont have much expirience with bp, how do you load for 25 yard plinking?