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Amikee

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Greetings my fellow Muzzies

I got a couple of questions for ya:

1. I was wondering how much sparking we need to ignite the charge? My new flinter gives rather smaller amount. I mean, it's visible but not like it's a lot of it? How much spark is enough?

2. Can I use pyrodex (if yes, which one) in my flintlock or I should definitely go Goex or Swiss? So far I found these "reals" sold only in 25 lbs lots.

Greatly appreciated all suggestions and posts.

Michael
 
1.) Enough. And too much is always enough. One spark is probably enough - but the more you have the faster they catch the pan.

2.) Not for the prime, and mostly not for the main charge unless you have a T/C Firestorm or defy the warning on the BP cans and mix the lesser powder into a duplex load with blackpowder.
 
There a couple of places like this one that sells 5 lbs minmum. You really need real black powder unless you want to start messing with duplex loads, loading around 10 grains of real bp first, then pyropoop. Do you really want to do that?
http://www.grafs.com/
 
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That means I have to buy whole lot of goex. Ffg for load and prime? or fff or ffff? That's so newbie question. Probably 3 or 4f for priming.
 
Buy one can of 4F if you want for range work. It will last you years...The rest buy 3F and work up loads using that unless you want 2F but 3F will most likely do you just fine. You can use the 3F also for prime while hunting, enabling you to carry one powder while hunting or you can carry the 4F if you want, your choice.
 
Just checked the website. Goex out. Swiss at 25.00. Damn!
I got .54 rifled and .62 smooth barrels so the rule is to use 2f in greater calibers?
 
20 dollars per pound. Reasonable. At least is goex. That's what I'm going to do. I'll buy 1 can of ffff and 4 of fff. Thank you both for great sources of blackie :bow:
 
Btw unless your set on Goex which is fine, Grafs house powder is a very good powder at a good price. It's actually repackaged Wano powder from Germany.

Never mind, just saw it was out of stock as well. :idunno:
 
Don't even think of using Pyrodex or some other substitute powder in a flintlock. As for priming powder, you can prime with FFFg Goex and you won't know the difference until you have been shooting a couple of years, and then only if shooting paper targets off a bench rest. There is a difference in the burning time of the FFFg and FFFFG powders, But we are talking miliseconds, and its next to impossible to move your sights in that short amount of time. 4Fg and Null B( Swiss) powders are used by target shooters, to get the fastest ignition.

As to "How many sparks?" the answer can only be one more than "Enough"! Kind of like asking how long your legs need to be when you grow up? - Abe Lincoln said, "just long enough to touch the ground!"

Seriously, the whole point of creating sparks by striking a flint against the steel frizzen is to produce enough HOT sparks that will Live long enough to reach the powder in the flash pan and ignite the powder. That will vary from shot to shot, and day to day.

One spark is all that is NEEDED, IF it does the job. The problem is that ONE spark may not ignite the powder for many different reasons. Terfore, the more sparks you can get to the flash powder in the pan, the greater your chances are that the powder will ignite.

You just don't want the priming powder to ignite: you want it to ignite Quickly. The quicker ignition occurs, the faster the heat created from the burning powder can enter the TH and ignite the main powder charge. The faster that main charge ignites, the faster the PRB is sent out of the barrel, before your sights can move off your chosen POA. Get it?

Now, go backwards in all you do to load and shoot a flintlock. If you aren't getting many sparks, Why Not? Is the frizzen soft? Or gouged? ( chatter marks like you see ripples in a washboard.) Is the cock screw tight on the flint and its wrap? Or is it letting the flint rebound on contact, and bounce its way down the frizzen before cutting steel? Is the frizzen spring putting too much tension on the frizzen, preventing it from popping open when struck by the flint? Is the frizzen pivot rusty and hard to move? Are using those agate " flints", or real flint? Agates are too soft, IMHO, and have a nasty habit of producing fewer and fewer sparks the more they are used. Cut agates rarely are cut along the stone's natural fracture lines, so the way they are cut works against the agate cutting steel like a gun flint will that is made by knapping a spawl off a nodule of natural flint.

There is a learning curve on shooting flintlocks, and you are on the bottom rung of the ladder. Take your time, digest the advice you get, and then ask new questions. We all began right where you are now....... :v
 
Agree, lots of sparks give more reliable ignition and confidence. Some locks like certain flints better than others. But the key ingredients to good sparking as indicated above are a sharp flint, a frizzen of the correct hardness, a poweful mainspring, and a slicing angle of attack of the flint.
 
All the sparks you can get.As to powder Powder Inc is the best source I know of.You might try going to the goex site and looking up their disributors maybe find one near you and avoid the shipping and hazmat.
 
I got .54 rifled and .62 smooth barrels so the rule is to use 2f in greater calibers?

That used to be the "rule". Almost as fixed a rule as gospel. But, in recent years the trend (long and late coming) has been to use FFFg as the (almost) all around powder. It burns cleaner and gets same resuls with smaller charges.
 
If you are going to get just 5 pounds of powder, I would get all 3f. As to how much spark, go into a very dark room, a closet, and try your lock. You can see how many sparks you are getting much more clearly. I agree the more the better. But you can make sure you spread out the powder in the pan as much as you can and don't do any of the “banking” suggestions found here. Slightly favoring the touch hole may help but certainly not away from it. Maybe a little Dremel tool work is in order. This will increase your chance of sparks hitting where you want them to.
 
60 grains 3f in my .62 flinter is a good plinking, and short range load.
 
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