How to make a split hickory ramrod?

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Skychief

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Do any of you know about making split hickory ramrods? I mean from log to finished product.

Any tutorials on the internet you might lead me to?


Thanks for any help. Skychief.
 
Split the staves green. They will split along growth rings,lines, and not run out. Cut them in the Fall, or early winter, after the sap begins to run down. If you were to cut the hickory trees now or in the spring, the sap would make it hard to dry the wood, and probably weaken the wood.

Depending on the size of the tree cut, checks will show up fairly early in the end grain at the cut. Start a wedge there, to split out the rod stock. Split the log in half, then quarters, then eights, etc, until you get a piece of split wood that is small enough in size so that you can spend less time shaving the rod round in shape. You will need a draw knife and spokeshave(s). Or, use a tool plate, made of steel, in which you drill a hole, and then chamfer one side. The Stave is trimmed down at one end small enough to get it started in the hole in the plate. Then the stave is pounded through the hole to remove the wood needed to make a rod the diameter of the hole.

I also had a friend who used a steel plate in which he drilled a series of holes within an inch or so of the edge of the plate, at differing locations for various sized ramrods. He then cut a " V " shaped groove from the side of the plate to each hole, and then relieved the back side of the plate. To use the grooves to form a round ramrod, he put the stick down into the groove and pulled it towards him, shaving off wood on two side. He rotated the stick until the rod was in the round hole at the bottom , and he could shave wood off around 2/3 of the stick at a time. He always had a bag of kindling for his fire starting in camp, as a result of this kind of work. The V-shape of the notch and round hole centered the stick in the hole, preventing run out. This works for Hickory, but might not work with other woods. Its the peculiar( unique?) molecular structure of the Hickory wood grain that allows it to be split along the grain.

The rods you see that do have run out have been made using powered tools, that don't follow the grain.

The resulting rod may not be perfectly straight, but it will not have run out of the grain. Straighten the rod by heating the "bends" over a stove, or open fire. As a general rule, its smart to make a rod a 1/4 longer than what you actually need.

The "waste" end you cut off can be used to make a short starter, for instance. Or, you can save a section of it to help you sand the groove for the ramrod in the rifle's stock. Wrap sandpaper around the stock, using the ramrod piece to brace the paper, and keep the sanding straight.

I hope this helps. Obviously, I played around with this idea years ago- enough to satisfy me that buying ramrods from reputable dealers, like Pecatonica River, Tip Curtiss, and TOTW, among others is down right CHEAP, compared to the work involved in making my own ramrods. :shocked2: :idunno: :hmm: :surrender: :hatsoff:

But, I don't regret learning how to do it, nor all the ways it could be done. Frankly, I would rather Not use a draw knife or spokeshave on anything as small as a ramrod. Rake, axe, and other tool handles are one thing; ramrods are another. My friend's Notched "draw plate" was the most fun, and the easiest to use. The drilled holes in plates were more commonly used with shorter pieces of wood, to make wood pegs for building barns and houses.
 
Paul, thanks for the reply and good information.

The reason for my question is- I have a tightbark hickory on the property that was topped by a storm a few days ago. The tree simply snapped about 30 feet high.

I am heading out now to work on it. You mention that the ideal time to do this is when the sap is down. Am I wasting my time fooling with it now as the sap is up? Or....will it just take longer to dry, with no harm to the rods themselves?


Many thanks, Skychief.
 
Sap only flows through the layer just under the bark, the part that forms growth rings you see in the wood. It doesn't flow through the sap wood. The moisture content of the rest of the wood doesn't change, whether the sap is "down" or not. The wood will dry just as fast now as it would if cut in the winter -- faster really because of tthe heat of warm weather. There would be some slight advantage to cutting the tree in the fall if making bows, but it has nothing to do with moisture content.
 
There are always better reasons for WHEN to take down a tree. Take this one down, now. Let the wood dry over the summer, and just wait to see checking in the end grain at the end of the summer, before going to work with wedges to split the log/trunk.

Hickory was commonly used for "split-rail fencing" because of its toughness, and straight grain. It made splitting out rails much easier and faster work. Abe Lincoln did this kind of work as a young man, before he decided to work with him mind rather than his back. If you look at the outer bark, the lines of the bark will tell you how straight, or twisting the grain will be underneath. The twisting is slow, and you can straighten the resulting rod using heat. The less twist, the straighter the rod will be naturally.
 
Well....I cut the tree down and went ahead (before reading the above) and bucked the butt 50" in length. Then, I split 4 staves out of half of the log (I have four 1/8th staves), leaving the other half untouched.

Of course the splitting of these staves went smoothly, but, I tried to further split a stave between the growth rings. Problem is, my wedges produced runout no matter how I tried.

What am I missing? Maybe my staves should be thinner. :idunno:

Also, for clarification.....do I want to use the darker heartwood or the lighter sapwood for ramrods? Do I need to be concerned with painting the ends of the staves (as in right now)?

Thanks for more direction!

Skychief.
 
My first thought is to use the heartwood, might be a little bit more dense than the sapwood and possibly a little more rot-resistant. I've never worked with hickory, though, so I might be backwards in my thinking. :hmm:
 
I have not seen heartwood of hickory used for any kind of tool. I would use the lighter wood to the outer sides of the heartwood.
 
Anyboy have any help to offer concerning splitting between the annular rings?

Seems also to be some differing opinions concerning which part of the wood to use. Lighter colored (sapwood) or darker colored (heartwood). :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:

Anybody? :idunno:
 
Give the smaller splits time to dry before splitting them further.With a little moisture gone, you will find them easier to split. In this heat, it should only require a couple of days in a dry( off the ground) covered( to avoid being rained on) airing to dry the wood sufficiently. If you have a garage or car port, build a rack to hold the staves off the ground, where air can circulate. Space the staves apart, and in layers that are spaced with cross bracing.

Go ahead and try the heartwood for a stick. I think its no longer strong enough to make a good ramrod, personally, but I would love to be proven incorrect again. :grin: :surrender: :hmm: :thumbsup:
 
Another update.

I want to say " :surrender: :surrender: :surrender: " after hours of trying my best to get a suitable section of a stave for a ramrod.

I will not though! :cursing:

Though I am yet to get anything close to work, I don't believe I am :youcrazy: .


Too much heat and humididty :bull: and too little know-how :idunno:!

I will overcome and get a straight grained rod from my own tree from my own property. This I vow!

To the beaver dam-sized pile of hickory kindling in the garage, I say " :blah: :blah: :blah: ".


Thanks for the help guys. I am taking a break from this project for a little while.

Skychief :bow:
 
You need a froe, or something that will work like one, to split your staves to smaller sizes.

I've often thought if you could get the hickory split down to near ramrod proportions, square it up, and then straighten it before going through the rounding process there would be less chance of grain run out. If need be you could give the rods a final straightening when rounded. I haven't tried it, as I can't locate any hickory located where it's permissible to cut. But I'd like to as I want some wood to make bows. The scraps would make ramrods.
 
I split and make all the ramrods for my builds.. I just lost what I had written lol.. wrong button :redface: :haha: but I will attempt it again in the morning :v
 
Roy said:
I split and make all the ramrods for my builds.. I just lost what I had written lol.. wrong button :redface: :haha: but I will attempt it again in the morning :v


Don't toy with me Roy as I am NOT IN THE MOOD! :cursing: :cursing: :cursing:























:haha: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :rotf: :blah:
 
Of course when he's done, they don't look nothing like that last pic, they are a well finished rod with maybe a slight bend, which only helps keep it in place but for the most part they are pretty much straight nice rods. :thumbsup:
 
I try to always cut hickory trees when the sap is up. It doesn't weaken the wood, and the bark will just peel off this way. I quater the logs (maybe more) and coat the cut ends with paint, glue, whatever to slow the drying on the ends (where the checking and cracking will apear). From there I stack them and let them dry. If I have to use one while still green, I split them to 1"-3/4" sqaures and force dry them in a heat box. From there I use a draw knife, and then I use Mike Lea's ramrod tapering tool. The tool is not needed though, just speeds up work. I have made dozens with out it. Once I get it to rough shape and a bit over sized I use a metal drill plate to scrape and size the ramrod. :v Any heavy bends like you can see in the bottom pic that Swampy posted can be heated and straightened. :thumbsup:
 
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