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I agree, I declined to enter two nice Blacktails that scored in the 120's, not bruisers but good for Blacktails, we just ain't talkin' apples and apples when we use, compare, and promote the modern type guns that have lost the cartridge with the original type ML guns. you might as well take out a 45/70 rolling block or a Ruger #1 in .458 and compare it to a Kentucky rifle and try to make a case that they are the same.... Oh yeah I forgot about the loading from the front thing...maybe that is only part of what defines a ML gun?