adding on to muzzloading tv....there is hardly ever a deer hunter on tv that is on the ground...most are sitting in a box in a tree with a pile of corn and a fence not far away..then a deer follows the fence till he gets to the corn pile looks around alittle and BANG!!!!! he is shot by someone calling himself a hunter and says hunting is fun....i sit on the ground or stand on the deers level.dont get a deer every year but have gotten over a dozen.closest one i ever got was an 8 pt at 2 feet away farthest abt 100 yards...who needs a box in a tree? :m2c: :yakyak: :yakyak: :yakyak: