I got a very good friend of mine into shootin BP about 5 years ago. Last night at the range he showed me his new rifle, not a traditional gun or ammo. He shot 6 shots and never touched a 8" target dot at 50 yards. That is something he never had a problem with using the .45 cal Traditions side lock with patched ball he has. Then came the constant put downs of my T/C Renegade my shots at 50 yards were about 1" apart. Bad part is he went hunting with his new gun this morning. I stayed home but will hunt tomorrow on my own.