Hello everyone, I posted the info for some R/B loads for a 20 ga and I want to thank all of you for the help.But let me tell you this fowler puts all the fun back into shooting for me with the load data out I went and at 30 yards it shoots inch and a half high and about the same to the right but holds a 2 inch group for me loaded with 80grns 2f one overpowder wad and then felt wad treated with crisco and a .600 R/B with a .010 patch lubed with lehigh valley.Also want to say how much I like the lehigh valley lube it was 10 degrees out and it never froze up or got stiff even put a patch in the fridge for one day and it still did not get stiff.But now I have the bug for a shorter trade gun style of the brown bess anyone know where a guy can get one in kit form? Well thanks again everyone for the help will have more questions comeing soon so consider yourself warned!!!