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REX

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My kit arrived today. After dry-fitting all the parts I noticed that the barrel wouldn't sit correctly in the stock. After observing how it was going together, it looks like the barrel rib needs to be shortened in front of the forend cap to allow the barrel to drop in so that the wedge can be inserted. Is this correct, or do I need to remove metal from the forend cap to allow room for the barrel rib?
Thanks for any help you are able to offer.

Rex (WestCoastBPgramps)
 
For starters, I have not built this kit. Dixie rates it as a level 2 kit which is saying it is an intermediate skill level. To quote their catalog:
Stock:95% inletted. Will require some minor stock shaping and final fitting of metal to stock, final sanding and finish. Will require holes to be drilled.
Metal will require polishing and browning or bluing.

That being said, the biggest driver here is the fit of the breech with the stock. This must not have gaps in it. The rear of the barrel tang can have a small gap with the wood, and in fact a gap of 1/64 - 1/32 is preferred so that the shoulders of the breech transfer all of the recoil and the tang transfers none.

If the barrel won't fit because the barrel rib is hitting the wood, and this wood will be covered by the nosecap, then by all means, remove a little wood. As long as the nose cap will cover the area, you don't have to be too precise here.

When the barrel fits fully down into the barrel channel, I would then suggest temporarily installing the nose cap so that it seats out on the stock. Then, with the breech seated against the stock, lower the barrel into position.
When the barrel rib starts to hit something (as you say it does) then as you indicate, something has to go.

Because filing the front of the nose cap is a lot of work, my first feeling is the rib must be shortened but study the situation before commiting anything into chips. If that would solve the problem then measure how much interference it has, mark the offending end with a black permanent marker and remove the rib from the barrel. File off the correct amount.
While you have the rib removed, try placing the barrel in the stock to make sure it is going to fit. If the sides of the barrel fit tight, use a sanding block and widen the channel so the barrel fits in easily. You might also have to file the inside surfaces of the nose cap to clear the barrel.

If the barrel fits, now try reinstalling the rib with the barrel still in the stock/nose cap. You may find that a little more material must be removed from the rib. This joint doesn't have to be "tight". In fact, a little clearance here will make removing the barrel on the finished gun a little easier.

I am sure you can see where I am going with this so I won't go on, but this kind of hand fitting can be expected in several areas. The primary thing is to study the situation before making any chips.

Hope this helped.
PS: I am going to ask to have this post moved to the Builders Bench. Hope this is OK with you.
 
thanks zonie, move this anywere you need to, you just comfirmed my thinking, barrel fits fine with the rib off, just didn't know which way was the best. looks like about 1/4 inch off the rib will do. now on to polishing the brass.

rex (westcoastBPgramps)
 
jessejames guess what this kit is a lefthanded, and i got from dixie gun works for $275.00, there stock number is FK1345. kit look good and everything dry fited good except for the barrel rib being to long. zonie just confermaned what I was thinking, it don't hert to have a second opion.
give dixie a call.
Rex (westcoastBPgramps
 
jessejames: This kit is a Halfstock Left Hand Flintlock made by Investarms/Italy. It is in .50 caliber, 1:48 twist 15/16 octagon barrel 28 3/4 long.
The stock is European Walnut with 2 3/4 drop and a 14 inch pull.
It looks like Cabela's "Traditional Hawken Rifle".

If your a southpaw wanting to get started in flintlocks at a low price, this may be the way to go.
 
hey jessiejames; let me know if you get the kit, i'm having fun building this one, almost got the brass all polished.


zonie; you said something about the tang fit and a 1/16 inch gap, did you mean the tang must fit tight in the main part of the stock (much like a bolt action rifle receiver must fit the stock) and the 1/16 inch is ok at the end of the tang that is on top?

thanks for your help. bp can be real fun!!! :D

rex (westcoastBPgramps)
 
WestCoast: If you have a "hooked breech" with a tang at the rear, or just a plain barrel with a tang at the rear, the SIDES of the tang should be a slip fit with the wood without a visible gap.
The back surface of the hooked breech, or the barrel should fit up tight to the vertical surface at the end of the barrel channel. To varify that this surface is fitting properly you can blacken the surface with soot from a candle (the original way), or steal some of your wifes lipstick and apply a very light coating to the metal. Then carefully place it down into the stock and then push it rearward until it stops. Pull it forward and remove it from the stock. You will see where it is making contact. IMO it should be contacting at least 60%. 80-100% is great.

At the back or REAR surface of the tang, it should fit the wood with a tiny gap between the metal and the wood there.
This gap should NOT be as big as 1/16 (.062) of an inch or it will be an eyesore. It may be as much as 1/32 (.032) but I would consider that a absolute maximum.
If you can get a .004-.012 (1 to 3 sheets of bond paper thick)at this location, that is IMO ideal. This amount of clearance will hardly be visible but will keep the recoil of the barrel from applying pressure to the wood with the end of the barrel tang. I have seen guns where this was not done, and the recoil chipped out a chunk of wood in the wrist.

Glad your having fun but beware! This gun building stuff can get in your blood and as soon as one is done, you will be thinking about the next one.
 
West Coast,
Sorry I'm a little late on this one but.....
I have put together the Investarms kit you have. I had to cut off a little of the barrel rib to make it all fit. I will suggest that you pay special attention to getting the flash pan bolster to fit tight to the barrel. Mine had a very poor fit here and ended up making a gasket out of leather to seal this off. I also suggest coning the vent liner and opening it up a little. I had a lot of pan flashes till a friend did this for me.
Good Luck! Packdog
 
packdog;
thanks for the info. will double check the pan to barrel fit. removed about 3/8 inch from the rib, now everthing dry fits good. almost got all the brass polished, trigger gard is taking the most work.

bp sure can be fun. ::

rex westcoastBPgramps
 
well the kit is complete, only thing left is to take it out and make smoke, thanks to everyone for thier help. posted some pics in the photo section.

rex (westcoastBPgramps)
bp can be fun
 

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