Is this a CVA or ??

[muzzlecap]

This flintlock arrived by mail today. The seller said there were no maker's marks on it. From the one pic he had posted I thought maybe a Miroku made for Ultra- Hi. However, I think I notice an I and an N near the breech plug so I'm thinking Spain so likely CVA. Yet the barrel shows no sign of any altering to get rid of stampings. It has no patch box. It's 45 caliber with 33 inch barrel. The lock works well and it sparks well even as set up. I looked online and I came across another one with no patch box and 33 inch 45 caliber barrel. It also stated no identification markings on it.

 

[tgfrench]

I would sear it's not a cva

 

[deermanok]

I've seen that wide brass band on a Miroku rifle before. Maybe that's what you have ?

 

[ORBushman]

Possibly a Jukar?

https://www.ogallerie.com/auction-lot/jukar-flintlock-kentucky-rifle-45-caliber-33-1_0363565BD2

 

[brawny man]

If you remove the lock it will usually be stamped with Spain or Japan. That should narrow things down. Good luck.

 

[ppg1949]

It could be a Markwell depending on the patch box.

 

[chorizo]

Miroku

Very distinctive lock and engraving. Same as the Ultra-Hi model

https://picturearchive.gunauction.com/4241203238/11728446/img_5004.jpg_thumbnail0.jpg

 

[muzzlecap]

It could be a Markwell depending on the patch box.

No patch box. I believe Jukar is likely the winner. I took the lock out and it says Spain on the inside. Surprising how well the inletting is done on this rifle. Not a scratch in the stock. Likely saw little use over the years.

 

[nhmoose]

Take the barrel off if it has Spanish proofs it is not Japanese

 

[Steel Hayes]

That is definitely an Ultra Hi(Miroku),
a Spanish barrel

 

[64Springer]

That stubby trigger is a clue.

Japanese.

 

[Century to late]

Yes Miroku for sure. I have a caplock just like it. Looks to be in nice shape. Japanese made them. Some parts will fit on CVA Kentucky models.

 

[muzzlecap]

Would Miroku use a Spanish lock?

 

[Century to late]

Would Miroku use a Spanish lock?

No that a Japanese lock I bet.

 

[chorizo]

You just might have the "Frankenstein" version....I know only a couple of my guns are not mix and match parts.

Not uncommon on today's guns

 

[Steel Hayes]

Would Miroku use a Spanish lock?

Yes sir, as Century to late said (as same as my cap lock Ultra Hi) the barrel and lock were spain products.
The Kit version made by Ultra Hi were Spanish versions, I have a Miroku Kentucky flint that was not a kit, produced in Japan.

 

[chorizo]

OH MY GOD, throw it in the garbage....according to some any gun made in Spain is worthless! Tongue firmly planted in cheek.

Nice looking gun and enjoy shooting it!

 

[Uncle Miltie]

Miroku

Very distinctive lock and engraving. Same as the Ultra-Hi model

https://picturearchive.gunauction.com/4241203238/11728446/img_5004.jpg_thumbnail0.jpg

I believe it is an Ultra Hi. A neighbor bought on from the JC Penney catalog.

 

[muzzlecap]

No that a Japanese lock I bet.

No, I took the lock out and it says Spain on the inside. But yes, my first thought when I saw the photo in the add was it's an Ultra Hi. Looked to be in nice condition and was fairly cheap so I bought it.

 

[Century to late]

Yes sir, as Century to late said (as same as my cap lock Ultra Hi) the barrel and lock were spain products.
The Kit version made by Ultra Hi were Spanish versions, I have a Miroku Kentucky flint that was not a kit, produced in Japan.

Good to know about kit difference thanks for setting me straight.