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Croppy Boy

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I have read all the posts on jug choking and have decided to do my 12 bore Pedersoli Mortimer. Around here you rarely get a shot at 25 yds and will probably go for full choke.

Unfortunately, there is no one this side of the duck pond who knows about jug choking let alone doing it so I've decided to do it myself. I bought honers from Brownells (medium and fine), I have an inside calipers, a 1/4" bore guide and a drill. I intend taking out 0.03" for about 4" starting 2" from the muzzle.

Does anyone have any advice to give me regarding these specs. or is it all just a bad idea?
 
Couldn't pass on this one, not least of all because my son's nickname is Croppy Boy. It's a great idea. While I have a jug choked fowler, I don't know the particulars of doing it. I think some experts on this site should be able to offer you some technical advice though.
 
Croppy Boy said:
I have read all the posts on jug choking and have decided to do my 12 bore Pedersoli Mortimer. Around here you rarely get a shot at 25 yds and will probably go for full choke.

Unfortunately, there is no one this side of the duck pond who knows about jug choking let alone doing it so I've decided to do it myself. I bought honers from Brownells (medium and fine), I have an inside calipers, a 1/4" bore guide and a drill. I intend taking out 0.03" for about 4" starting 2" from the muzzle.

Does anyone have any advice to give me regarding these specs. or is it all just a bad idea?

Not a bad idea at all...I had a .62cal Flint smoothbore Jug Choked and it works fantastic.
You first have to ensure you have good barrel wall thickness to allow fo a .030" oversize expansion chamber to be honed into it.

Essentially a Jug Choke is an "expansion chamber" that's created using a cylinder hone in the bore, with 1.5" tapers on either side of it.

One gunsmith explained that it is approximately 6 " long, stopping 1/2" from the muzzle, consisting of three parts:
A 1.5" gradually expanding taper
A 3" expansion chamber
A 1.5" gradually reducing taper, stopping a 1/2" from the muzzle.

Imagine you're traveling down the barrel from the breech towards the muzzle:
You encounter the 1.5" expanding taper starting about 6.5" in from the muzzle;
Then a .030" expansion chamber is enlarged for about 3";
Then the 1.5" reverse taper works back down to the original cylinder bore diameter a 1/2" before muzzle exit.

The expansion chamber itself is honed about .025"-.030" larger than cylinder bore dimensions for a full choke effect.

The shot charge expands as it passes through this chamber causing the outer layers to start slowing down some, while the center continues moving forward at full speed.

Then as the expansion chamber tapers back down to normal cylinder bore dimension just before muzzle exit, the outer layers of shot are forced to regain speed and merge back into the trailing part of the shot column, and as the gunsmith put it, makes the shot "squirt" out like the ML was a high pressure fire hose".

All these dynamics somehow create a situation where the shot column is influenced in a way as if it had gone through an actual mechanical choke restriction...and it works.

That's the best way I can explain it based upon how one gunsmith explained it to me.

A different gunsmith actually did mine and his Jug Choke work seems shorter than 6"...more like 4"...but works on the same principle and definitely works well...here is his contact info if you'd like to pursue it further. (his Email address is his HAM operator call sign).

Lowell Tennyson
209 E Lotte St.
Blue Grass, Iowa 52726, USA
563-381-3711
[email protected]

Hope this helps...
 
Lowell recently jug choked my new fowler. Excellent person to do business with :thumbsup: :hatsoff:
 
Not yet. I hope to do it this week. A friend has a lathe and he is going to set the barrel up and put the hone in the chuck.

I'll let you know how things turn out.
 
Just to let you know, I did the jug choking yesterday. I used a saw bench, setting up and clamping the drill in the guide that slides in the groove on the table. I set the barrel in a piece of timber with a groove cut in it and clamped it all together with the hone running straight into the barrel.

I marked the stem of the hone for it to start about 1.5 inches inside the muzzle and run back a further 4 inches. I run it in and out for five to ten minute intervals re oiling the hone each time. In all, it was probably done for 45 minutes.

I have an inside calipers but it proved hard to get an accurate reading. When running a patch down the barrel you can feel less resistance at the jug choke.

I fired a few shots at 35 yards and there is a definite improvement but I think I could have taken a bit more.
Thats another days work. :thumbsup:
 
I did my own jug choking and have fantastic results. Shooting my 16 ga at 25 yrds I usually get 132 #5 pellets in a 20 inch circle. Now mind you there are only 194 in the load(1 1/8)If I remember correctly I honed it out .010 and I use 2 felt wads over the powder(65 gr ffg) 1 1/8 oz. #5 shot and 1 overshot card. You're still going to have to experiment to get that magic load. Keep us informed!
 
The gun I have is a 12 gauge. I was loading with 80gr. of 2f, 1/8 inch over powder wad, 1 1/4 oz. of no.5 and over shot card.

After the few shots I've fired with the jug choke, it seems to pattern better with 75 gr of 2f, four over shot cards, 1 1/2 oz. no.5 and over shot card.

The 75gr. may appear low for a 12 bore but it seems to give the better pattern. I'll have to check the penetration next.
 
Penetration is a function of the weight of the pellets, and not the velocity. Always give up a little velocity to get better patterns, as a RULE. To get better penetration at longer ranges, go to the next size larger shot.
 
No negative difference. Round ball shooting wasn't really my thing, but I was persuaded to shoot them through a 12 gauge fowler, just to see the results, and it put all five shots in the black at 50 yards. People into that sort of thing seemed very impressed. Considering the gun had no rear sight I suppose it wasn't bad.
 
Can jug choking be done to a double barrel? I am considering buying a 10 ga. Pedersoli double kit.

It is a fixed modified and cylinder bores. I want to hunt turkeys with this gun. I haven't bought it yet.

Would any gunsmith be capable of this?
 
The notion of Jug Choking is really oriented towards providing a choke effect to a wide open cylinder bore barrel, which has no choke at all.

If you're already planning to get barrels that are choked, it really wouldn't be necessary.

And if you're wanting more choke than what is in that kit, my suggestion would be to simply buy a kit with barrels having more choke in them.

But to be honest, turkey hunting is essentially a one shot situation...if it were me and I had that .10ga, the modified barrel would be fine and is what I'd use on Mr. Tom.

If you get them permanently Jug Choked, you impose a lot of restriction on yourself for what else you could use the SxS for.
 
The famed gunsmith V.M.Starr jug choked many doubles. He could not only adjust pattern density but regulate point of impact as well. However, he is long gone and I don't think anyone bothered to learn his craft.
You might be surprised at how tight some patterns may run from a modified choke. I once had a Pedersoli marked modified and full which actually patterned extra-full and unbelievably-full. On the rare occasion I actually hit a bird with it there was nothing to pick up. :grin:
 
If you jug choke a Pedersoli, say good bye to the chrome lining of the barrel.

I just got my 12 gauge English Fowler from Jim Chambers. Jug choked to modified is just fine at 30+ yards with 90 grains of ffg and 120 of #5.

A 10 with a modified choke (and a little time to "discover" the right load) will serve you just fine.


"If it aint broke... don't fix it!"
 
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