Late 1600's fowler lock style?

[Teleoceras]

Model19:

Very very nice! Love the stock on that piece. I've been communicating with Sitting Fox about his club butt and may have found what I'm after there. I was getting discouraged on that style but no longer.

That's cool. Good luck with your final choice and show pics when you get her!

Slowmatch Forever!
Teleoceras

 

[Trot]

Glad to hear it! Get the style you really want or you will end up doing it later anyway! Keep us posted and good luck.

 

[tg]

" I was getting discouraged on that style but no longer."

Good to hear the parts are out there, what lock do they have that fits the time/gun?

 

[tg]

"Slowmatch Forever!
Teleoceras"

That is one fine looking gun Tele, you don't see many of those here along the west coast.

 

[Model19]

SF uses a Davis Trade Lock for the Club Butt, but the more I research, the more I see that may not be appropriate for a late 1600's version. The pictures I have to study (Flayderman, Buckskinning 4, and NRA articles) show flat plates and flat cocks ("flat on flat"?) locks. The Davis is not that style. Man, there is a lot of studying to do for this time period. I need to do some more looking at available lock styles today. My TOTW catalog is still in the mail so it'll have to be internet searching today.
Keep yer fingers crossed!

 

[rickystl]

There is a Leonard Day Fowler for sale on TOTW web-Site. JFYI

 

[Trot]

The one on Track of the Wolf is the same fun I have. I can't understand the pricing though, it is $450 more than I paid for mine directly from Mr. Day! At the time I bought mine he also offered them in kit form.

 

[Okwaho]

SF uses a Davis Trade Lock for the Club Butt, but the more I research, the more I see that may not be appropriate for a late 1600's version. The pictures I have to study (Flayderman, Buckskinning 4, and NRA articles) show flat plates and flat cocks ("flat on flat"?) locks. The Davis is not that style. Man, there is a lot of studying to do for this time period. I need to do some more looking at available lock styles today. My TOTW catalog is still in the mail so it'll have to be internet searching today.
Keep yer fingers crossed!

Please see my post on this thread,"English style lock/French Fusil" as regards the so called "Dog Lock" which did not exist as a distinct ignition system but rather was merely an external safety on converted Snaphaunces and English Locks". For an exhaustive discussion of early {17th and 18th century}flint locks {primarily French}see Torsten Lenk,"The Flintlock". The term "dog lock" as a distinct lock probably emerged sometime in the early 20th century.BTW, Dr. Lenk's book is available in paperback for under $20.00 on www.abebooks.com and is fairly plentiful.As to the availability of 17th century firearms there are in my opinion only two avenues for the aquisition of a historically authentic gun. Quite simply they are a gun from Leonard Day or a scratch built gun utilizing parts from TRS, Jack Brooks or some other quality custom gunsmith.
Tom Patton
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[Model19]

Thanks for steering me that way. I just bought a copy on e-bay for $9.00. I found a site that let me see the first thirty'ish pages and while most of the info looks to be strictly Euro it will still be a big help. I'm learning that there is a big, to me at least, gap in documentation and info on guns in the colonies from 1640 to 1700. It figures that I'd set me sights on that period. :idunno: But I'll either work through it or say to heck with it and settle for a slightly inaccurate specimen for my first ML. I have plenty of modern center-fires, so why not add more flash-bang types like these! :bow:

 

[sheba]

Here is my Fowler an English Snaphaunce with a 50 inch barrel

 

[Model19]

I scored Glenndenning's British Pistols and Guns 1640-1840, and Russell's Guns of the early Frontier from my local library today. Pollards book is on the shelf too, but some miscreant removed the illustration pages at some point, making it much less helpful to me or anybody else for that matter. People are such ***** some times. Anyhow, a quick look through shows both round and and flat faced locks in existence in the period in question. Simpler than the later types in appearance for sure. So other than a dog-lock, I can see no hard an fast standard to follow yet for what I'll build. I know there are more details to learn. Bridles appear to be a tell tale in manufacture period. I guess that's next.

 

[rickystl]

GREAT LOOKING GUN!!!

 

[Model19]

I mailed a check to Ray at Sitting Fox today for his club butt kit. Yeah, the lock is still not late 1600's, but that was too specific a requirement for my first ML piece. I'm going to enjoy building this and learn from it.
Ray said I'd get it in about 3 weeks, so now the hard part begins... waiting.