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crs1945

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Well done did it again. Just picked-up a Queen Anne, 50 cal., flintlock pistol at a gun sale.Seems to be in pretty good shape, will have to take it apart and inspect it real close. Any ideas as to a proper load for this gun.Thanks.

Muzzie
 
muzzie: if you go to pedersoil web site, I think they will have the info on loading and also greak down drawings. I just ordered a queen anne kit from dgw, can't wait to get it.
let us know how it shoots.
rex westcoastBPgramps
bp can be fun
oh ya; the web site is http://www.davide-pedersoil.com
 
Gosh- I hope it isn't the same one that Track used to sell. When I tried to order one, they told me they stopped carrying them due to being unable to get parts or any support at all from Pedersoli. Also, that Pedersoli wouldn't even answer their mail. I was also told they were of very poor quality.
Daryl
 
As for the quality of the Queen Ann, I am looking at the lock as I type this.
If your really into PC, the lock violates all of the rules.

The Frizzen is Bridled!!! The Mainspring is using a LINK connection with the tumbler!!!

Now aside from the PC issues, the tumbler is Bridled which gives support to the outer axel diameter. This to me speaks of quality far above the typical modern Spanish locks such as are found on some CVAs for example.

The frizzen sparks very well.
The barrel is a .50 caliber smoothbore and measures .499.
Perhaps my only criticism is that the mainspring link hangs down below the sideplate when the cock is in the fired position.
Although there is a cut in the area to keep this link from hitting the wood, you do have to remember to have the Cock on Half Cock when disassembling the gun.

I have no idea how well, or even if, Pedersoli supports its customers.
If it is poorly, hopefully they will learn something from the success story of the GPR and change their ways.
 
they told me they stopped carrying them due to being unable to get parts or any support at all from Pedersoli.

These people carry parts for Pedersoli ARMS ( lock, barrels, stocks and whatever)

BEAUCHAMP & SON INC., DBA Flintlock's Etc 160 Rossiter Road RICHMOND, MA. 01254
U.S.A. Ph: 413 698 3822 Fax: 413 698 3866 EMail: [email protected]
 
Interesting, the pistol I was referring to, as some call the Queen Anne Pistol, is the French Model 1777 and the North & Cheney M1799, long after Queen Anne's reign. We are talking of two different pistols, obviously as the '77 has no wood close to the mainspring, being a metal action pistol.
 
Thanks guys for the info. It is made by Pedersoli, there is no info on their web site in regards to this pistol. I was kind of asking what you folks would suggest for a starting target load for this gun ( powder grs. + patch size, etc ).Iwill let you all know how it shoots and when I get my camera back up and working will post a pic. Thanks

Muzzie
 
Daryll: We are talking about two different guns.
The one I was refering to is made by Pedersoli and is a cannon barreled .50 smoothbore flintlock.
It has a Grotesque brass face as a butt plate and is quite a pretty gun.
It looks like this:

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Oh, I was doing so much talking , I almost forgot the orginal qustion.
I would suggest a load of between 20 and 35 grains of FFg under a .490 dia ball patched with a .010 - .015 patch.
IMO, because it is a smoothbore without rifling grooves you don't need a thick patch.

The thin patch will help keep the ramming pressure down. After all, there is not a lot of gun to get ahold of.
If you do use a heavy patch, try not to put to much pressure on the grip by doing something like putting the grip on a table while you ram the ball/patch home.
Doing this might split the stock.
 
muzzie; ups just delivered the queen anne kit from DGW, the info that came in the kit isn't much, but if you email me with your address I'll be glad to mail you what I Have. Just put something about flint or queen anne in the subject so i won't think it is spam. zonie is right on the load for this flint, DGW recomends a max of 30 grains.
zonie; any hints on this kit, they only gave a one page assembly instruction? there was one part that was broken when I opened the parts bag (trigger guard), pedersoli shows DGW as an authorzied distributor and when I called them today they said they will get me a replacement (this my put to rest mfg. support).
rex (westcoastBPgramps)
bp can be fun
 
WestCoast: As I mentioned, it's been years sense I built one of these, but as I recall it is pretty straight forward.
The typical try the part to see how it fits, then carefully remove the offending piece of wood a little at a time and keep rechecking the fit.
I think most (if not all) of the fitting can be done by sanding but there may be some tight fits in the triggerguard mortice and the barrel tang mortice.

Before attacking the wood, look at the metal part. Sometimes it is easier to file just a little off of the metal than it is to try to remove a few thousanths from the wood. This is especially true of trigger guards and side plates which fit down into deep mortices.

On this gun, the barrel tang screw is the only thing which keeps the barrel in place so make sure the tang seats out on the bottom of the mortice with perhaps a little tightness between the forward part of the stock and the underside of the barrel. That way when the tang screw is tightened, the barrel will be forced down tight in this forward area.
Another poster mentioned the loose fit of the barrel in his stock and I suspect this was caused by someone removing too much wood from the stock at its forward interface with the barrel. Simply put, keep the barrel fit tight.

The wood screws which hold the grip cap, the trigger guard and the forward end of the lock in place are too small to pre-drill but if you have an awl (or ice pick) a little push will make a good starting place for the screws.
Actually, when dealing with walnut, installing wood screws is a fairly easy task. It is even easier if you lubricate the screw threads with some dry bar soap before screwing them in.

Because the stock is walnut, it shouldn't need any staining. It also has a very "open" grain. If you like the open grain texture you can simply oil or True Oil the wood after the final sanding.
If you want a smooth surface you may want to fill the grain.
Birchwood Casey markets a good product for filling the walnut grain and most Gun Stores carry it.
If you want a smooth Deep look, you can apply 8 to 15 coats of True Oil sanding very lightly between the first 6 or so coats. This will fill the grain with the transparent true oil. After applying the finishing coats you will have a smooth gloss finish but will be able to see clear down to the bottom of the grain pockets.

If you run into difficulties, just post the problem and the Forum members will be there to help you.

:)
 
Thanks for the picture - similar except fo the abundance of wood on your's.
; I fully concure about the powder charge. You'll probably find something around 25gr. is all you'll want to shoot and the fit is much less critical in pistols due to much lowered pressure over rifles. The thinner combinations generally shoot just fine & are much easier to load due to por holding power in the hands.
Daryl
 
The picture that Zonie posted is the exact same gun as mine.Thanks guys for all the additional info. Will be trying it out as soon as I get some problems around the house taken care of!!

Muzzie
 
mussie; hope the info is of any help, they don't give you much. just finshed the Queen Anne kit, either zonnie takes better pic's or he just builds better looking kits then me :applause:, but this is my gun and I did it myself. Can't wait to make smoke.
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rex (westcoastBPgramps)
bp can be fun
 
Now THAT looks like an easy kit ot assemble - sort of like an ARF or ARC in Radio control Modeling. ARF means Almost Ready to Fly, and ARC means Almost ready to Cover. This pistol is ARS - Almost Ready to Shoot - it is indeed a very good looking kit. You've done a nice job, that's for sure.
: You pictures appear to be missing the http://www. in front of the address.
 

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