Lock Identification

[BE Wild Willy]

I'm searching around for another long-gun, does anyone recognize this type of lock?

Thanks...

 

Wily,
It looks like a large Siler.
Mark

 

[BE Wild Willy]

Thanks Papa, how about this one...

 

Willy,
Not sure on this one. It is real close to either the L&R Hawken or the Ron Long Hawken locks, but not exact. The top of the lock plate, lower area in front of the drum, on yours appears to be flat and the two that I mention have a slight radius. Other than that they appear to be close?
Mark :idunno:

 

[Bill Hall]

Here's a pic of a L and R Hawken lock, about four years old. The area in front of the snail has been curved slightly to match the lock panel. Doesn't look like the same lock.

 

[mr.flintlock]

The second lock looks like a Dixie Gun Works brand lock that they sold about 35 years ago. I believe it was listed as a 1-P. I believe they sold for about $12.95 in the early 70s. Anyone out there with an old,old DGW catalog who can check this out?

 

Mr. Flint,
You may have this one right. I pulled out a Dixie catalogue from 1988 and it looks like the lock may be #LO0704, on page 180. It's a dead ringer.
Mark :thumbsup:

 

[BE Wild Willy]

Thanks fellas this is getting educational. What locks are the most desired?

 

[mr.flintlock]

Papa, It seems that along in the 1980 era they did change the stock number on that lock. Just out of curiosity, what did the lock sell for in 1988? I remember it went for about $12.95 in the early 70s. A buddy of mine built a 40 caliber longrifle and used that lock in the 1960's and it still works.

 

Mr. Flint,
The 1988 catalogue lists that lock for $27.95. That's quite an increase.
Mark

 

[BE Wild Willy]

It would be nice if there was a "stickie" for lock types. Is this, what I told older small CVA lock, a decent lock?

 

[Zonie]

Decent lock? That depends on when it was made.

The locks on the early guns that CVA imported from Ardesa (the manufacturer) in Spain left a lot to be desired.

They were usually unbridled so they provided no support to the innermost side of the tumbler. That is, the end of the tumbler that is furthest from the lockplate.

Ardesa corrected this by adding a bridle that bridges over the tumbler and supports the end that is furthest from the lockplate. The tumbler has a small cylindrical projection that rides in a hole in the bridle.

The percussion versions of these bridled Ardesa locks are pretty good.
The flintlock versions can range from terrible to pretty good depending on the cock and the frizzen.

 

[BE Wild Willy]

Thanks Zonie, this is the desription that I got of the lock;

"The lock is the smaller CVA with a fly in the tumbler, tripped by a single trigger pinned into the stock."

Would this be a "bridled lock"?

 

[Zonie]

Most of the locks with a fly have a bridle.

Some of the locks like the Chambers or L&R use the bridle not only to support the tumbler but to also retain the fly in the tumbler on the side of it that is away from the lockplate.

Other locks locate the fly in the lock plate side of the tumbler so that the lockplate retains the fly.
If the lock places the fly on the lockplate side some provision must be made to keep the tumbler up against the plate and the best and easiest way to do this is to use a bridle over the tumbler.

This keeps the tumbler from moving away from the lockplate so the fly can't fall out.