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Interesting... Why not just properly install a sight? I like your creativity and ingenuity, but... Not sure I'd have gone the super glue route.
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An old deceased friend of mine used to tell me all the time;
NEED IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION
good idea there. Even has decorative marks already on it. Silver?
NEED IS THE MOTHER OF INVENTION
good idea there. Even has decorative marks already on it. Silver?
I tried to do it right! I bought a peep sight from Williams, waited 3 weeks to have it put on by the only gunsmith available to me. The sight fell off and was lost the very next morning.
BTW, I was also surprised with the strength of super glue but after about 50 shots it appears to be holding strong.
But if I had access to a good gunsmith I would have preferred to do it right.
BTW, I was also surprised with the strength of super glue but after about 50 shots it appears to be holding strong.
But if I had access to a good gunsmith I would have preferred to do it right.
Griz44Mag
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You might be a redneck if.....
Hey don't sell yourself short, My Grandfather use to say " It doesn't have to be right, it just has to work," then my Dad would say " If it works it must be right". Good job
It’s just that I spent $40 on the sights and $60 for the gunsmith and waited for 6 weeks trying to do it all right. But the frustration of having the sight fall off led me to the 30 minute job of cutting, drilling and glueing the spoon handle on.
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What is the gun?
I'd check TOTW for sights. lyman 57 is great for TC/Investarms.
Super glue will p!$$ you off when the sight falls off and the buck is "in sight"
I'd check TOTW for sights. lyman 57 is great for TC/Investarms.
Super glue will p!$$ you off when the sight falls off and the buck is "in sight"
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I can’t believe you used Super Glue?!?
I would’ve used duct tape...
What was the sight the gunsmith put on? I’d be having words with the smith.
I would’ve used duct tape...
What was the sight the gunsmith put on? I’d be having words with the smith.
What did the gunsmith use to mount the sight?
Personally! Very attractive, though unusual sight.
Super glue??? Not sure about that?
Two screw mount works well. One screw at the end farther from the peep, and a second about 1 1/2" from the first, but with a track cut into the ( spoon ) sight so when loosened you can slide left or right ( for windage ) and finally a third screw screwed into the sight near the peep for height adjustment.
I really like your sight!
Send me your sight and I will make the needed holes, tracks and threading.
Best wishes for season and New Year!
Fred
Super glue??? Not sure about that?
Two screw mount works well. One screw at the end farther from the peep, and a second about 1 1/2" from the first, but with a track cut into the ( spoon ) sight so when loosened you can slide left or right ( for windage ) and finally a third screw screwed into the sight near the peep for height adjustment.
I really like your sight!
Send me your sight and I will make the needed holes, tracks and threading.
Best wishes for season and New Year!
Fred
Gowacky, no matter how frustrated you get with this "mess," please do not feel compelled to shoot your barbecue.
With my fine machining skills, I can guarantee a hit every time on your BBQ from where the rifle is when the picture was taken.
Looking at the aperture of the sight, it can be threaded for different sized apertures to be screwed into place.
Fred
Looking at the aperture of the sight, it can be threaded for different sized apertures to be screwed into place.
Fred
I have to own up to some previously reported statements I made that turned out to be my fault and not the gunsmith although I’m not happy with him either. When I first got the gun home with the new Williams sights mounted and began to try to sight the gun in, I noticed the windage adjustment was on a loose fitting dove tail which was secured by a set screw. As I was making adjustments to the windage I noticed the set screw was pretty loose fitting and didn’t feel very secure when I would tighten it with a small eyewear screw driver. I knew then it needed some thread lock on it but thought I would wait until I had it sighted in to try to get that screw more secure. Then sure enough by the next morning the screw had gotten loose and the entire dove tail with peep sight was lost. Initially I thought it was part of the ginsmith’s work but realized later that he hadn’t worked on that part of the sight. Now, I think he should have ... kind of gone over the whole sight and made it secure. But that wasn’t the job he was asked to do, so, shame on me.
But back to his work. The Williams sight dove tail was slightly wider than the dove tail in the barrel. Now I would think the gunsmith would have filed down the sight to fit the dove tail, but he chose to file on my barrel to open the dove tail. After thinking about it I decided it was easier for him to lock the barrel in a vise instead of the sight. I didn’t like that but I guess it’s debatable.
But when I found the sight had been lost I blamed the gunsmith and in a fit of rage knocked out the whole sight and replaced it with my homemade spoon peep sight. I should have calmed down a little and realized that I only lost the peep sight and could have ordered another one. But that thought only came later.
Then after someone predicted the super glue would fail right at the wrong time, I decided to test it and drove a screwdriver under it until it popped off. I must admit it was pretty strong and renewed my confidence in super glue. This time though when I glued it back on I used my dremmel to grind both sides for the new glue job. No doubt the new surfaces are going to hold even stronger than the way it was. Unfortunately I have no windage adjustment but luckily when I eyeballed it I got lucky and the way it’s shooting I am happy with the windage setting.
So, the gunsmith doesn’t get a high grade from me but then it wasn’t really his fault the sight fell off.
And most importantly the gun is shooting well. I just have to consider elevation when aiming and that will improve with practice. But I’m getting about a 4” group now at 80 yards so I’m pretty happy with that and after all it’s the repetitive firing that attracted me to get back into muzzleloading anyway. I can shoot from my patio so I’m grateful I don’t have to leave home to shoot.
But back to his work. The Williams sight dove tail was slightly wider than the dove tail in the barrel. Now I would think the gunsmith would have filed down the sight to fit the dove tail, but he chose to file on my barrel to open the dove tail. After thinking about it I decided it was easier for him to lock the barrel in a vise instead of the sight. I didn’t like that but I guess it’s debatable.
But when I found the sight had been lost I blamed the gunsmith and in a fit of rage knocked out the whole sight and replaced it with my homemade spoon peep sight. I should have calmed down a little and realized that I only lost the peep sight and could have ordered another one. But that thought only came later.
Then after someone predicted the super glue would fail right at the wrong time, I decided to test it and drove a screwdriver under it until it popped off. I must admit it was pretty strong and renewed my confidence in super glue. This time though when I glued it back on I used my dremmel to grind both sides for the new glue job. No doubt the new surfaces are going to hold even stronger than the way it was. Unfortunately I have no windage adjustment but luckily when I eyeballed it I got lucky and the way it’s shooting I am happy with the windage setting.
So, the gunsmith doesn’t get a high grade from me but then it wasn’t really his fault the sight fell off.
And most importantly the gun is shooting well. I just have to consider elevation when aiming and that will improve with practice. But I’m getting about a 4” group now at 80 yards so I’m pretty happy with that and after all it’s the repetitive firing that attracted me to get back into muzzleloading anyway. I can shoot from my patio so I’m grateful I don’t have to leave home to shoot.
Einsiedler
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I knew of an old cedarchopper out west of town that used a V notch cut in his right thumb nail as a rear sight.
Honest!
Honest!
Ein, I love that response the most and like you, now that will be a story I’m unlikely to forget.
I think we can make drawing a bead on something sound much more complicated than it is. It’s really just time given to practice, less of course the fact that our vision is going only one way.
Some of you have done the same as I did. When I was about 10 yrs old and my passion was hunting birds with my Daisy pump (upgrade from Red Rider)....anyway, that gun shot high and left. But I adjusted for that and could drop a bunch of Cedar Wax Wings before they would fly. You could often see the flight of your BB... lol
I think we can make drawing a bead on something sound much more complicated than it is. It’s really just time given to practice, less of course the fact that our vision is going only one way.
Some of you have done the same as I did. When I was about 10 yrs old and my passion was hunting birds with my Daisy pump (upgrade from Red Rider)....anyway, that gun shot high and left. But I adjusted for that and could drop a bunch of Cedar Wax Wings before they would fly. You could often see the flight of your BB... lol
I feel your frustration. I just bought some Williams front/rear sights for my renegade that were supposed to fit. It is my understanding that TC Renegade early barrels had rear sight hole spacing of over an inch, but then they went to a .835" spacing. The Williams rear sight I bought is a ghost ring style that is supposed to have .835" hole spacing, but when I removed my old one and went to put on the Williams I found that the spacing on the site is too far apart. Just barely, but enough that I couldn't get the second screw to thread in. Perhaps I could slot the holes slightly? but worried if it will hold without movement if I do. The front sight that is supposed to fit a 3/8" dovetail also wouldn't go in, it is too wide. I could get it slightly started, but then it took way too much effort to try to tap it in. The front sight shows some bunched up material (the sight is aluminum) where it was scraping it off as I tapped on it. So, I then had to put the old sights back on until I figure out if I can make these work or just send them back and order something different.
I sure understand. Plus, I ordered the ‘white dot’ for the front sight. That white dot came off so fast ... that made me sick. I would get a hood I guess for the front or would just prefer something solid. Maybe a white dot was a bad choice. I wouldn’t mind fluorescent but the only ones I’ve seen were huge. I just want to see it!
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