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Pittsburghunter

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Wonder if you guy have ever seen a shotgun made by a company called "Warrantee". It is a percussion sidelock very light with what appears to be a two piece barrel. It kinda looks like the first two inches of the breech end is made from another material than the rest of the barrel. It had ok wood and a funky balister that could be a replacement.

Price was $95
 
I think it's mostly because we're clueless as to the origin of the gun. I've never heard of one. :hmm:
 
I guess that might be the concensus. The tag on the weapon had in quotes "Warrantee" in the manufacturers line. I found no other marks than that except "16ga" and "Black powder Only".

I didn't even notice any Euro "proof mark".

I do want a bp shotgun some day. It's not on the front burner but if it was a good cheap gun that people new about I would have snagged it up.

Like I said earlier it looked kinda funney with the two piece barrel.
 
Is it possible that it was once a damascus steel barrel( or anything else) that has been relined with a set of steel tubes? It is common to cut the tubes forward of the chambers, machine down the tubes to line the chamber, but leave the remaining length of the barrels outside diameter. TYhe short section of the barrel which is the chamber can then be bored out to accept the sleeves. That allows the use of the same breech plugs, so you don't have to rework the stock to fit a new tang, etc.

Without actually seeing the gun, its hard to tell, but I know of a breechloading L.C.Smith that was restored this way, because the artist who did the restoration did not want to have to tackle making and welding on the underbarrel lugs for the pivot, or have to machine and replace the existing extractors. The gun is an heirloom, and the owner was willing to spend the extra money to replace the barrels to keep the gun a shooter so he could pass it on to his sons. That is the only reason I can imagine why the barrels would be made of what appear to be different metals. It also might explain why proof marks are not evident on the barrel's undersides- they went with the cut off sections of the barrels.
 
In "modern" (breech loading shotguns) it is quite common for the the chambers (usually with the underlugs) to made separately from the barrels which are then welded to the camber, breech and lug lump. Often the manufacturer puts a nifty bit of engraving over the connection so that it shows differently.

There is also a sleeving process that is used to replace badly pitted or overly thin barrels on higher priced breech loading guns. This can be used to put modern steel on damascus or twist steel guns, although good damascus is very much in vogue right now.

There is nothing "wrong" with any of these processes if they are done well, but they are expensive. Sleeving a double barrel has a price tag of at least $1500. Thus, I would guess that this gun was originally made with a barrel welded to the chamber.
 
My guess now that I think about how it looked again is some how the origional barrel got damaged and this was some type of repair/ replacement.

There are too many smart guys here to never have heard of it :thumbsup:
 
Pass on it. If you don't know what you're looking at or for, it could very well be dangerous. Especially at that price point. Save your money and get a TC New Englander or CVA single 12 and start out, should be able to find one used for 150-200. And you know it will be safe to shoot. Pete
 
Pittsburghunter said:
Many people viewed this post but no replies so I would guess that the thing is not worth persuing.

A picture would go a long way in helping you find the info you seek, do you have any of this gun you could post?
 
MM, No I looked on the web for a pic of it but had no luck so I will give a brief description of it.

The stock was thin light colored hardwood typical of a shotgun only type stock. The gun was very light overall even though it was as long as most modern shotguns.

The nipple was attatched to your typical balister of old not the modern snail type but on thing stood out which may or may not help identify it.

The cleanout screw was made with an external slot by that I mean a raised piece of steel you could grab with plyers or a specialty tool made for the weapon.
 
You know, that black powder only stamp is very modern, even the guns from the sixties didn't much have them yet.....Pete
 
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