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Here is one to think about , when using cast bullets in sabots , would lubing the bullet help to prevent galling in the barrel ( plastic on the rifling)?
[Lubing the bullet not the sabot]
[Lubing the bullet not the sabot]
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I would think not, the lube would be inside the sabot's cup with the bullet, not on the outside of the sabot where the riflings touch...
(unless the lube oozed out through the slits in the sabot's walls, centrifugal force would pump the lube out through said slits if the lube was excessive...)
(unless the lube oozed out through the slits in the sabot's walls, centrifugal force would pump the lube out through said slits if the lube was excessive...)
I don't think it helps. Everytime I walk through that isle in the sporting goods store I spit on them, and they're still around.
Pttu, pttu! I spit on you. ::
Pttu, pttu! I spit on you. ::
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I've read that filling the base cup of a sabot does help with fouling but sabots shouldn't leave any remarkable amounts of plastic behind upon firing.
I'm not a big sabot shooter but everything I've read say's they don't really foul up your bore much.
Huntin
I'm not a big sabot shooter but everything I've read say's they don't really foul up your bore much.
Huntin
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Poor, misguided wretches.
Hey! I heard the best lube in the world for plastic sabots is C.A. glue (Cyanoacrylate). It comes in a plastic bottle and is very slippery on plastic. Just drip some on and smear it around with your fingers Good for wiping on the lens of your scope for an anti-fog coating, too. ::
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I also heard that Jet glue makes a great suppository ( try it, tell me what you think) LOL :curse: :curse: :curse: :curse:
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The degenerates on these forums ( like you /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif)
got me into period keerect flintlocks and thus saved my soul from everlasting torment.
To all of you degenerate old farts (me included) I owe the deepest gratitude.
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However I once was lost but now I'm saved. ::
The degenerates on these forums ( like you /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif)
got me into period keerect flintlocks and thus saved my soul from everlasting torment.
To all of you degenerate old farts (me included) I owe the deepest gratitude.
Nothing, absolutely nothing, has the grace and beauty of a well made flintlock.
+++P full curl maple helps too!
Birddog6...You are a corrupting influence, now go to your room and get on the in-line forum and straighten them boys out.
There are souls to save. :winking:
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Roaddog: The plastic fouling thing is over stressed. People that make plastic fouling cleaner created a problem where there wasn't one.
Unless the barrel is rough plastic will not adhere to steel very well. Those sabots are slick and kind of lube themselves.
Any plastic residue can be removed easily with a brass brush.
Hey I just thort'a sumpin'. Since them misguided lost souls over on the in-line forum will believe ANYTHING let's post a warning about the dangers of plastic fouling and give 'em a recipie for home brewed plastic fouling cleaner made up of road salt and battery acid.
Just plug the breech end, fill the barrel with this mix and let it set for a week.
Then we could all run out right quick and buy stock in the in-line rifle companies and clean up as there would be about a million guys buying new rifles. :haha: :haha:
Ohhh, where do I come up with these way too cool ideas???
Unless the barrel is rough plastic will not adhere to steel very well. Those sabots are slick and kind of lube themselves.
Any plastic residue can be removed easily with a brass brush.
Hey I just thort'a sumpin'. Since them misguided lost souls over on the in-line forum will believe ANYTHING let's post a warning about the dangers of plastic fouling and give 'em a recipie for home brewed plastic fouling cleaner made up of road salt and battery acid.
Just plug the breech end, fill the barrel with this mix and let it set for a week.
Then we could all run out right quick and buy stock in the in-line rifle companies and clean up as there would be about a million guys buying new rifles. :haha: :haha:
Ohhh, where do I come up with these way too cool ideas???
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I'm taking a guess at what your friends mean about the plastic fouling from sabots. After the barrel gets hot the plastic sabots start to melt. A little bore butter on the sides of sabots should help.
Or possibly the plastic transfer from sabots is the same thing that occurs when shooting normal shotguns...plastic builds up in them from the plastic wads and has to be cleaned out.
The plastic just tranfers from the friction due to speed and pressure of the load in the wad (sabot...mainly noticeable in the choke area as it's tighter there so I'm not sure it's a case of melting from the heat of the charge, as it is from friction type transfer.
In the case of the plastic sabot, it's tight the full length of the bore instead of just a choke area like a shotgun...and when I've picked up my sabots off the ground they look like they could be used again...skirts / petals aren't melted, etc.
The plastic just tranfers from the friction due to speed and pressure of the load in the wad (sabot...mainly noticeable in the choke area as it's tighter there so I'm not sure it's a case of melting from the heat of the charge, as it is from friction type transfer.
In the case of the plastic sabot, it's tight the full length of the bore instead of just a choke area like a shotgun...and when I've picked up my sabots off the ground they look like they could be used again...skirts / petals aren't melted, etc.
I shoot a lot of different sabot loads from my three in lines, as well as traditional muzzleloaders. I love them both. Although the in-line does not have the style and grace of a traditional, they are indeed designed for what they were meant to do, and this is shoot. Their lines have their own beauty.
I was always told to never lube the outside of the sabot. It will change the way it spins on the rifle twist on its journey out the barrel. I do like to give the very bottom of the sabot a slight spit bath (nothing major mind you, just wet it) because I feel it helps in loading, making the sabot seat smoother.
The plastic build up, like already stated is easy to clean. A brass brush and good solvent (Birchwood Casey Bore Scrubber) will get that out. I give the barrel about ten strokes with a brush and solvent every time I clean it after use. I have never seen a copper, lead, or plastic build up in them yet. And I shoot as much as four times a week or more, sometimes.
Both of these rifles have a place in our sport. They still load from the muzzle and they still can make you wonder why you can not hit anything today... :: Then the next time you are shooting nothing but bullseyes. Other then the 209 ignition, I do not see any advantage to the inlines over the sidelocks. Just a different style rifle to me.
Infact yesterday was the inlines turn to play and today will be the .58 caliber and the .62 calibers turn to show me what they can do.
Life is good.... :applause:
I was always told to never lube the outside of the sabot. It will change the way it spins on the rifle twist on its journey out the barrel. I do like to give the very bottom of the sabot a slight spit bath (nothing major mind you, just wet it) because I feel it helps in loading, making the sabot seat smoother.
The plastic build up, like already stated is easy to clean. A brass brush and good solvent (Birchwood Casey Bore Scrubber) will get that out. I give the barrel about ten strokes with a brush and solvent every time I clean it after use. I have never seen a copper, lead, or plastic build up in them yet. And I shoot as much as four times a week or more, sometimes.
Both of these rifles have a place in our sport. They still load from the muzzle and they still can make you wonder why you can not hit anything today... :: Then the next time you are shooting nothing but bullseyes. Other then the 209 ignition, I do not see any advantage to the inlines over the sidelocks. Just a different style rifle to me.
Infact yesterday was the inlines turn to play and today will be the .58 caliber and the .62 calibers turn to show me what they can do.
Life is good.... :applause:
When I shot my .50cal MK-85 a lot, I got in the habit of running a natural lube 1000 patch down the bore before[url] loading...made[/url] loading a lot easier and never gave any indiction of any adverse effect on accuracy for me.
That is one accurate shooting rifle and at distance too...I got excellent results with it during my introduction to ML years ago, then discovered sidelocks / flintlocks and don't use it any more...I need to just go ahead and burn up the remaining powder / ammo, and sell it
That is one accurate shooting rifle and at distance too...I got excellent results with it during my introduction to ML years ago, then discovered sidelocks / flintlocks and don't use it any more...I need to just go ahead and burn up the remaining powder / ammo, and sell it
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No thay don't! :haha:
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Oh I gotta argue with maxi on this one!!
Them in-line guns do have thier own beauty!
Ain't you ever seen the way onna them Plastic stocks Burn!??
Man!! Brite yellow and orange colors,,rite quick too!!
(just don't breath nunna that smoke!!)
Lubing a Sabot!??
Isn't that an oxi-moron?? kinda like,,Pretty-Ugly??
Them in-line guns do have thier own beauty!
Ain't you ever seen the way onna them Plastic stocks Burn!??
Man!! Brite yellow and orange colors,,rite quick too!!
(just don't breath nunna that smoke!!)
Lubing a Sabot!??
Isn't that an oxi-moron?? kinda like,,Pretty-Ugly??
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sumtacks! :applause: :applause:
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