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Zonie

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First off I'll say MuzzleLoader magazine published my story about this about 2 years ago but as it's my story I will go thru it here in new words so I'm not infringing on something.

For those of you who don't know what Lye is I'll give you a quick lesson. The old timers got it by leaching wood ashes with water. It is a white crystalline material and can be found at some hardware stores in the plumbing section. It is used to open plugged drains. Don't use anything except pure lye for this proceedure.
It EATS skin, hair,grease and eyeballs! By eats I mean it DESOLVES them. It is a very strong caustic (or base). For that reason, if you try this you MUST wear eye protection, long sleeves and rubber gloves. It's also a good idea to have some vinegar (acid) handy to neutralize it if it gets on you. Interestingly it does not attack brass, German Silver or steel so your inlays can be installed in the stock and won't be affected by it.

I don't know that the old gunmaker masters used this method but it's been used for hundreds of years by woodrights so the masters must have known about it.

All wood has Tannin in it. It is what makes wood look brown. Lye water has the ability extract tannin out of the wood cells and to "float" the tannin to the surface of the wood.

What this means to you is this: If you have wood with "figure" to it like curly Maple or Ash you can use this method to increase the contrast between the dark and the light figure of the wood.
The dark areas get darker and the light areas are mainly uneffected. No, this won't make what isn't there appear but it does increase the contrast.

This technique should be done after all of the sanding, burnishing and whiskering have been done and the stock is ready for the first coat of stain but no stain has been applied yet.

With all of your PROTECTION ON mix about 1 teaspoon of lye in a cup of cool water.

Using a narrow NYLON brush (any hair bristled brush will instantly be destroyed) paint the solution on the bare wood, totally covering all of the stock (and inlays if any) with a generous coating. Even if it runs, it won't hurt anything (unless it's alive that is).
At first it just looks like wet wood but as it drys it will start getting darker. No it doesn't change a lot but the dark places will get visibly darker while the light areas just turn a light tan.

While the wood is drying wash out the brush and kill the germs down the drain with the left over solution.

When the stock is DRY, paint it Once only with a coat of vinegar to nutralize the lye. Don't go over it again or you will dilute the contrast you worked so hard to get.

When it is again dry, it is ready for staining or whatever you have planned for it.
By the way, it also removes ALL of the oils your hands left on the wood so stains usually are more evenly absorbed by the wood during that process.

Because there is a limited amount of tannin in the wood, doing this process multiple times doesn't have any effect beyond redistributing the tannin thereby destroying your new work. What you get the first time is it but I think it is worth the trouble.

A word about Walnut: The process will also enhance walnut but if the wood is very dark it may make it so dark that the figure looses some of its contrast . If this happens then you will have to resand the darkness off and dewhisker again.
 
quote:Originally posted by 'zonie:
When the stock is DRY, paint it Once only with a coat of vinegar to nutralize the lye.Does it matter if its white or cider vinegar?

Cider vinegar is darker and may add to the staining effect...

And what if you only have balsonic vinegar?

What about Wine Vinegar, Champagne Vinegar, Sherry Vinegar, Malt Vinegar, Rice Vinegar, White Rice Vinegar, Black Rice Vinegar, Red Rice Vinegar, Distilled Vinegar, Spirit Vinegar, Flavoured Vinegar, Herb vinegars, Fruit Vinegar, Umeboshi Vinegar, Cane Vinegar, Coconut Vinegar, Cabernet Sauvignon Vinegar, Chardonnay Vinegar, Merlot Vinegar, Pinot Noir Vinegar, Zinfandel Vinegar and Corn Sugar Vinegar?

Actually, it's the 5 (+/-2)% acetic acid CH3-CO2H that does the neutralizing, and that's found in all vinegars.
 
I use plain old white vinegar. No you don't want to use Balsamic vinegar because 1. The really good kind costs a fortune and 2. It has sugars in it.

I always hated that smart ass kid in the front row with his loaded questions! Now I know that he turned into MooskeetMan when he grew up!
 
Ames,
I don't mean to distract from Zonie's excellent thread but instead of commercial aqua fortis, I urge you to buy a jar of ferric nitrate powder from the "Science Company" (www.sciencecompany.com). The 100g container will last for many guns and is about $11. Ferric nitrate is not a hazardous shipping item. When mixed with water you get aqua fortis and iron and you have much greater control of color. Theoretically, you don't have to neutralize it with ammonia or baking soda because the heating process drives off the hydrogen ions (acid making part) leaving behind iron oxide (rust) bonded to the wood fibers. However, you should neutralize just to be sure all acid is inert.

dave
 
Ames said:
And I can use this lye over the pinned brass inlays?
I was told AF should not because of the potential of reactions down the road, regardless of how much you try to neutralize it. :confused:
Bases, the opposite of acids, do little or no damage to the metals we use to build our longrifles so yes, you can apply the lye water solution over your inlays without it causing any harm.

As I said in my description about using lye water, it will attack any part of your body it comes in contact with.

Every time I've used this method I have always worn rubber gloves and eye protection.
Even so, the stuff finds somewhere on my exposed skin for a tiny drop to land.

There is an immediate burning sensation as it eats your skin and the only remedy is to apply a weak acid like vinegar or lemon juice.

While your doing this treatment, keep this in mind and some vinegar handy. :hmm:
 
Lye water solution is particularly useful on cherry. It is a reagent, so changes the color of the wood without muddying the grain like a stain will. Cherry will also change when subjected to ultraviolet light, but takes much longer.

Red Devil Lye was available in hardware stores as drain cleaner, but may be more difficult to find since the meth cookers use it. In that I make soap, I source my sodium hydroxide from one of my suppliers for much less than what it did cost locally.
 
I've been a finish carpenter for over 35 years. Spent some of my own time carving things for musical instruments. Mother of pear inlays, tree of life, ebony, zebra wood, ugh... the memories. Walnut carved like butter. Cherry was a "you know what". Cherry has got to be one of my favorites to work with. Just the smell of it will get you to the bench in the morning.
I know people follow history, and history leads us back to maple. I know a few of you out there have done stocks in cherry. Here's your chance.
Show em if you got em!
 
I had to grit my teeth and walk away from a nice cherry blank last weekend. :cursing: I bought a nice curly maple blank instead, but know where that cherry is. :hmm:
 
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