Lyman GPR -first flintlock for me

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dodger

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,Hi all , I thought I'd wade in with a few impressions of my first flintlock rifle and it might help someone make up their mind one way or t'other about purchasing a GPR .
Living in the north of BC Canada the only way to purchase is online , there wasn't a GPR in stock locally that could be handled and inspected .
I ended up buying the gun from LeBaron's as they had the best price [ some $140 cheaper than elsewhere ] but they only had .50 cal .
The gun duly arrived and I have to say that I was a little dissapointed with the finish .The barrel final machining/polishing is irregular and the sanding of the wooden stock is not to a very high standard with uneven patches and a hollow area on the forend .The forend cap was slightly loose .
I have treated the stock with beeswax based application and it is beginning to show some nice colour and has a pleasing feel although the wood is quite plain .
The sights were miles out and the gun shot at least twelve inches low at 25 yds even with the rear sight elevated to it's maximum . There is an adjusting screw but no means to lock it in position and it backed off during shooting and the spring was lost which made the backsight useless.
I then fitted the primitive backsight which I find gives a much better sight picture .However the dovetail was a very poor fit and had to be shimmed . I ended up having to file most of the front sight away in order to be able to get the gun to fire to point of aim .
The gun was an irregular firer and there were many flashes in the pan and failures to set off the priming charge .
Sparking was poor but I have since rehardened the frizzen and it is very much better now .
In order to improve ignition ,I now blow through my fist down the barrel after firing [ I do wait some time to make sure all the powder has burnt ] and watch the touch hole , a healthy ejection of smoke lets me know that the touchhole is clear , if I don't see this , then I clean out the hole with wire or a toothpick .
When loading , I tamp the buttplate of the rifle on the ground ,as I believe that this packs a bit of the main charge into the cavity in the touchhole screw and improves ignition .
I haven't drilled out the touchhole yet , but I may well do so . I rather like the idea of a screw-in touch hole and haven't been tempted to put in a white lightning hole .
Accuracy is now good and a ragged hole 5 shot grouping at 25 yds is possible .

All in all , I am relatively pleased with the gun but I think it still needs work on the ignition to make more reliable but as it's my first flinter ,I'm not really sure what to expect .
The gun is a great conversation piece and has generated quite a bit of interest from my friends and at least one of them might be a convert to muzzleloading.
I do like to handle good quality firearms however and I would very much like to compare it against a Pedersoli or an American made rifle to see how it shapes up .
But I don't think I can complain too much about the gun considering the price I paid and the amount of fun I have had tinkering with it and firing it .
With a bit of luck it will put venison on the table this winter . :thumbsup:
 
Great report. I am also learning the art of a flintlock with a GPR. Having fun so far!
 
Dodger, I would recommend drilling the touchhole liner just a bit larger. I own a GPR .54 and it was the same as you describe yours being, after drilling the touchhole mine is much more reliable. :thumbsup:
 
"The gun duly arrived and I have to say that I was a little dissapointed with the finish .The barrel final machining/polishing is irregular and the sanding of the wooden stock is not to a very high standard with uneven patches and a hollow area on the forend"was a very poor fit and had to be shimmed . I ended up having to file most of the front sight away in order to be able to get the gun to fire to point of aim.


" When loading , I tamp the buttplate of the rifle on the ground ,as I believe that this packs a bit of the main charge into the cavity in the touchhole screw and improves ignition. I haven't drilled out the touchhole yet" , but I may well do so . I rather like the idea of a screw-in touch hole and haven't been tempted to put in a white lightning hole .


The above complaints are very similar for the last 2 years, very repetitive in many posts.

Consider a RMC vent liner before drilling, it solved my problems, order 2 in fact.

I have numerous Pedersoli's and never had to work on one to make it shoot as it should.

They cost more, but I will not buy Lyman in the future unless I can examine it person before buying. Do understand where you live makes buying more difficult.
 
Apparently I bought the only GPR made within the past couple of years that was properly made. Its' a lefthander, .50 cal, and sparks just fine. The Tom Fuller flints spark better than the agate flint installed when I bought it.

First order of business is to enlarge the touch hole, but that seems to often be the case with other manufacturers, too. I'm satisfied with my now .067" touch hole, made with a #51 drill bit. I got an Ampco liner, but haven't found it necessary to use it yet. Ignition is instantaneous - on par with many custom flinters I've fired over the years.

Investarms is chintzy with the wood finish, and there is a strip, finishing sand to remove sanding marks, restain and oil in the future. Meanwhile, the wood on mine looks nice with a few more applications of my blend of Tung, Walnut and BLO.

POI with factory installed sights are of no consequence to me, but these, at least, got me on paper in order to further adjust.

Based on MY experience, I'd not hesitate to buy another Lyman in the future.
 
Have to agree that Lyman M.L.'s do give yea a good bang for your buck, and also never buy one sight unseen though as I have seen some on the shelves that were poorly fitted...this would give yea a better choice of wood on the stock too! :v
 
AZbpBurner said:
Based on MY experience, I'd not hesitate to buy another Lyman in the future.

Me too. We own 3 and are happy with all of them. My GPR is my favorite, but the Trade Rifle and my Wife's Deerstalker aren't exactly collecting dust!
 
FWIW, I went to 5/64" on mine. I have a couple spare liners that I plan to drill with numbered bits and experiment a little.
 
congrats on your new rifle ... for the life of me I cannot understand why factory rifles are plagued by problems with touch hole liners ... this seems such an easy fix ... I would agree that you should try an RMC liner, or get several which fit and drill progressively larger holes until ignition becomes reliable.

I also don't 'get it,' as regards the factory's continued insistence on shipping otherwise perfectly serviceable rifle out with those dreadful cut agate flints ... not even heavy enough to throw at a passing politician ... completely worthless ...

get some good black English flints (or, if you want to show a bit of 'style') some of the more expensive french amber flints. both shoot equally well in my experience, but the french are more expensive than the English.

good luck, and make good smoke!
 
"I also don't 'get it,' as regards the factory's continued insistence on shipping otherwise perfectly serviceable rifle out with those dreadful cut agate flints ... not even heavy enough to throw at a passing politician ... completely worthless ..."

Actually I have passed over 100 shots with the cut agate flint and it still looks like new and works fine, wish I had 10 other flints just like it. Who sells them? My English flints shatter after a few shots.

The finish on the rifle was lacking for a $500 rifle.

I finally learned to bang and tilt the rifle when loading it to make it fire. The RMC liner was the answer, if a person wanted reliability, RMC is the only way to have it if you own a GPR. A six dollar part fixes a $500 rifle, that is poor workmanship and manufacturing, is it not??????

Why work on a BRAND new rifle. If folks sent them back to Dixon's, Dixons would complain to Lyman, would they not?

Why spend $500 and the durn thing does not fire.

Would you buy a new center firearm from Ruger, Remington, Savage, etc. and accept it as being defective and having to work on it when you received it to make it correct?
 
The Lyman GPR sells in Canada for about the same price as a base model centrefire rifle from one of the popular American riflemakers.
The centrefire rifles are much better finished but the Lyman MUST be cheaper to produce .
LeBaron is selling them at a healthy discount ,which is what attracted me to buy .
With hindsight , I would not buy another Lyman unless I was able to inspect it closely .

I have found over the many years I have been on this planet, that quality pays dividends in the long run and I tend to buy better quality gear than I would have bought 30 years ago--essentially , so that I will not have to "trade up" to get what I really wanted in the first place .

I will persevere with my GPR as I believe that the barrel is excellent and with a few small improvements I'll get the rifle to the stage where I am satisfied .

Thank you all for your comments gentlemen , please keep them coming .
Dodger
 
FWIW my flintlock is more reliable and faster if I prick the flash hole after loading, I use an old drill bit and push it in as far as it will go. It's disappointing to read the QC problems on recent Lyman's, I hope that Lyman leans on Investarms to improve standards.
 
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