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davemcg

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Have any of you guys ever made your own horn or bone buttons? I'm thinking of trying it with a small holesaw if I can get it to work without the pilot bit. Or is there another technique that works better.

I've made them out of antler, and wood just wanted to try something different.
 
I've made them, but never tried for perfectly round, so haven't tried the hole saw idea. I'm wondering about chatter when starting, as well as holding. Kinda like the natives used to do when making bone needles (drill the hole first before shaping the needle), I wonder about the idea of pre-drilling your holes, then setting the button blank down on a couple of pins to hold it steady. With the holes saw in a drill press, you'd eliminate chatter while easing holding. Just brainstorming.
 
I just use a compass, then rough saw out and grind to the line. Remember, 18th C. buttons, for the most part, had four holes.
 
I just find a part of the antler that is the size I need and cut a cross section with my small bandsaw I leave them natural shaped. I have predrilled the holes for the thread first as deep as I think I'm going to be cutting cross sections, makes it easier than drilling them after cutting the small buttons first
 
I make my horn buttons out of sliced sections of antler no attemt to get them perfectly round. Since I make knife handles, and powder measures and pipes out of the forks. I usually have a few pieces of many sizes that need trimmed that I can use foir buttons.
 
Wick Ellerbe said:
Remember, 18th C. buttons, for the most part, had four holes.

... or 5. :shocked2:

Yup, a hole in the middle.

Me, I do like the real mountain men did. I buy buttons. :haha:
 
Pichou said:
... or 5. :shocked2:

Yup, a hole in the middle.
Was the center hole used to thread it on? Or was it simply left empty ... :confused: ??

VERY curious why they did things like that so many years ago ... seems like extra labor & time for something that wasn't needed. Still can't figure out 'why' the 3-finger flap on wool leggings ala Nouvelle Francais, less perhaps it made the rest dry faster, akin to fringing on skins. But ... maybe it all was just being slaves to fashion??
 
Flint62Smoothie said:
Pichou said:
... or 5. :shocked2:

Yup, a hole in the middle.
Was the center hole used to thread it on? Or was it simply left empty ... :confused: ??

Perhaps the center hole was so they could spin the buttons on a lathe to make them round?
 
When I made my antler buttons for my Elkskin pants, I drilled two small holes in the buttons to aid in sewing. Modern buttons generally have 4 small holes, but I stuck with the two. The buttons are much thicker than any modern button is, and I did end up knocking off edges with sand paper to make the buttoms more comfortable to use. If originals only have ONE hole, I don't know how they were sewed on the hide or cloth. Does anyone else know the trick?
 
That extra center hole is part of the manufacturing process. If you look at the tools used by horn workers, you will see examples of their button "drill". It resembles a modern Spade or Fosner (sp) bit. It has a center point to keep it lined up, and one or two outside cutters - only the old horn button bit does not have that wide "chisel" type blade used to drill a hole in wood. It just has a marking point on one edge and a cutting point on the other outside edge. So you flatten your horn, place the drill bit where you want to cut out a button, and drill. That center point holds it in place. Those outside edge markers/cutters then cut/scrape done a circular hole - like with a modern hole saw. Those two outside points can be either just straight to scratch through the horn, or could be filed into a better "cutter" shape.

C. Keith Wilbur's book The Picture Book of the Continental Soldier shows a pretty good drawing of the drill bit and the process on page 15, and talks about horn and bone buttons. But it also shows them then being covered with cloth. Page 16 shows casting pewter buttons.

If you have an old Spade bit, just carefully grind back that "chisel" edge leaving those outside cutter points and that middle point. After you have cut out your disks, you can drill however many holes you wish, or go all the way to covering them with cloth fabric.

There are lots of ways to cut disks out of horn or bone. That special drill bit just helps speed up the process, and keep them more even. It also explains that center 5th hole.

And the pressure you apply downward should take care of some of that possible ... chatter. A couple clamps holding your flat horn piece to a board will also help. You could even "nail" the horn to that scrap board if it helps - just in the "waste" areas between futur buttons.

Just my humble thoughts to share. Take them as such.

Mikey - that grumpy ol' German blacksmith out in the Hinterlands
 
Thanks to all for your input, I was thinking of using a hole saw but didn't know a way to do it without the pilot hole, sounds like they didn't either for the most part.

The spade bit sounds like a real good idea especially if I can grind the tip down enough to work but not need too big of a hole.

Or maybe I'll just go with antler slices and polish 'em up nice an' purty, I know how to do that.

Or perhaps I'll just knuckle down and do what a real mountain man would do, and buy 'em!
avoir raison Pichou?
:hatsoff:
 
Another possible "modern" option would be one of those drill bits designed to cut out dowels or wood plugs for covering up screw holes in fine wood furniture. But I don't know how large of size they can go. They would be much like a hole saw, only without any center hole. They are really designed to be used in a drillpress. And look a lot like a "wad cutter" - cutting circular rim with the center being all open.

One other "option" would be to go down the that big "box store" and check out what they have available in their crafts or sewing sections. They just might have real horn buttons, since they also carry real bone beads.

Mikey - that grumpy ol' German blacksmith out in the Hinterlands
 

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