Modern Long Range Traditionally Styled ML?

[Tahquamenon]

http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/Features3.html

T/C Hawkin stock, Fast Rifled GM Barrel, Leatherwood Hi-Lux Optics' modern copy of the "Wm. Malcolm" rifle telescope.

Looks pretty nice to me. I've just updated my wish list for next year.

:thumbsup:

 

[TANSTAAFL]

To each his own I guess.

 

[arcticap]

I think that's really nice, especially the pistol grip. What's sort of ironic is that I wish there was someone building a modern stocked inline with a longer, roundball twist barrel. ::

 

[CrackStock]

With so many people putting Green Mountain barrels on T/Cs, I would think that it would be easy to find what you wanted. I have a long slow twist .50 barrel on one of my T/Cs. I got it as a part of a Lyman Deer Stalker assembly that someone wanted to sell, but works well on a T/C.

CS

 

It's only proof thet the word traditional has more in it's definition then merely "looks"!!

Modern high-tech enhancement of "components" alters any relationship such a rifle may claim of be'n relative to "traditional", except for mere cosmetic purposes!!

Some folks might like'em and thet's fine with me,.... personaly, I find "beauty" is more then skin-deep.

rollingb

 

[roundball]

Sure is nice wood on that rifle...it might be more appropriate for that guy to refer to his configuration as a "modern sidelock", what with the modern fast twist bullet barrel and modern rifle primer ignition.

Unless he just doesn't realize what he's saying, I don't understand his point of trying to portray it to be a 'traditional muzzleloader', yet have all the modern alterations made to it...it's certainly not 'traditional' in the sense of the word...he should call it what it is, a modern hybrid or an 'experimental' something or other...but that's a pretty piece of wood

 

[Gary]

Portrait-painter artist turned militia lieutenant Charles Wilson Peale had instrument maker David Rittenhouse mount a telescope on his rifle for him. This was during the Revolution. Peale didn't know about cheek weld and from his mentioning of springs to help with recoil suggests a black eye from shooting it. He was able to hit a piece of paper at 100 yards but there's no diary entry suggesting that he used it in combat. In 1810, an English riflemaker patented an airtight scope. He didn't know enough to fill it with nitrogen to keep it from fogging and that would wait until the 20th Century. By the time of the Mother of American Family Feuds (The late unpleasantry between states 1861-65), the scope equipped rifle was used in limited #s by both sides. Even then, it scope equipped rifles were a rarity.

BTW, I'd love to cheat and have an Enfield barrel mounted on a flintlock. When no one is looking, drop in your minie ball and smack your targets at 400 yards without a hitch. Peepul will :master: the ground you walk on. Wimmen will cling onto your arms. Dogs and children will follow you whereever you go. You'll drink free in bars and won't have to pay for meals. :kid: ff:

 

[SquirrelsaurusR]

Peepul will :master: the ground you walk on. Wimmen will cling onto your arms. Dogs and children will follow you whereever you go. You'll drink free in bars and won't have to pay for meals.

I think someone needs a vacation... :kid:

 

[Mulebrain]

There is a much easier way to gain acceptance. Shoot what should be shot in muzzleoader season. People were not starving hundreds of years ago, due to inferior equipment.

Just another look at someone who will try and profit from muzzleoader season, in an unrespective way.

This should be called the "Bionic Muzzleloader".

I have updated my wish list for many years to come. Stop tinkering with the past!

:m2c:

 

Up until a few years ago I used to build and fly scale RC aircraft . By Scale I mean planes up to

 

[Riley/MN]

Peepul will :master: the ground you walk on. Wimmen will cling onto your arms. Dogs and children will follow you whereever you go. You'll drink free in bars and won't have to pay for meals.

You mean that doesn't happen to you already? I just assumed all of us were treated like that.


Ohhh, That's right. You're not a TMA State Rep, are you? :crackup:

 

[AeroE]

There's not a thing wrong with putting an 18 or 20 twist barrel in T/C Hawken, Lyman, or any other spare stock with lock you have, adding a tang sight, and banging away at long range targets.

It's a gun, a stick with a barrel and mechanism to make it go boom. This might be a simple, quick, and relatively inexpensive route to get a silhouette gun running.

Go ahead and bed the barrel, then pillar bed and attach it with allen head screws if you want, or even glue the barrel in - do whatever is required to improve the breed.

More ideas-
- add a front sight extension to increase the sight radius,
- install a modern scope. External adjustable mounts are expensive, so install a 30mm scope to get enough come up to hit those far targets. Burris rings with elevation compensating inserts might work if you are stuck with a 1 inch scope.
- hotrod the lock; a coil spring with a higher spring rate along with a modified sear to reduce the hammer arc, ball bearings in the joints, and lighten the hammer.
- install a handstop and no pulse sling if not shooting off cross sticks. Heck, use the sling and sticks.
- modify the bottom of the forearm to sit more precisely in the notch of cross sticks.
- Have fun, and don't be afraid to try something different.

 

[Tahquamenon]

High Power,

Shocking News flash. I have no interest whatsoever in gaining your acceptance. :shocking:

Who mentioned "muzzleloader season" other than you? Ok fine, you don't like it and don't wish to hunt with it. Don't.

I and others happen to find it a rather interesting caplock muzzleloader that might be fun for long range shooting, especially on a Thompson/Center Hawkin caplock stock. Which is also not considered to be period correct, but at least not ragged on a daily basis.

Other than the primer adapter instead of a nipple for a cap (which I would not mess with)and perhaps that fast of rifling, it might be feasible that someone in the 1860's to later 1800's could have placed a telescopic sight on their plains rifle to make a sharp shooter.

Not everything has to fit your personal criteria of period correctness, PRB and whichever rifle you happen to deem acceptible.

:yakyak:

 

[CrackStock]

Actually, in spite of being a traditionalist myself, I do find the pics of the modified T/C rifle interesting. It demonstrates workmanship and taste with a teaser toward traditional styling.

The scope interests me greatly and I intend to study this further.

I applaud a search for accuracy and precision. I would just walk a bit closer to the traditional side by using some period correct piece to provide a project for long range ML shooting. I might also opt for good glass and a nitrogen filled tube.

I have longed for a Whitworth or other early version of a long range rifle. I will likely do this at some point, but I want to "percolate" on this for some time and then do it right.

CS