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shaggypumpkin

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I am getting into muzzleload hunting with my father and we have been shopping for muzzleloaders for a few months. The Thompson Encore 209/50 has really caught our eye due to the barrel changing options. Any advice as we take on this endeavour?
 
I am not looking to start a flame war here but I would suggest that you take a close look at what you want out of the experience. If you want to hunt with a single shot modern gun and projectile that has been redesigned to eliminate the need of the cartrige then that type of gun will do the job, but will differ little from what you have been useing during your years of hunting with centerfire guns. If you want to experience the challenge and relive hunting as our ancestors knew it then a historical correct gun, round ball and real black powder will give you a totaly new type of hunting experience.Both types "load from the front" but they are as different as day and night after that.
 
If you want to experience authentic black powder shooting ,come to New Florence Mo. this Sunday as The Boone's Lick Muzzleloaders are having their monthly shoot,and "Pilgrims" are always welcome.We start shooting around 10:00 a.m. The shooting range is located 1 mi. north of I-70 on hwy. 19.I will be happy to let you shoot my rifle after I shoot for score,and so will others.
 
Not to flame anyone or start a flame over lock type/ignition type, but would like to comment on the subject.

I have an inline #11 cap Knight 50 caliber and several sidelock Hawken style CVA rifles. I enjoy them all but my personal preference is with the more traditional looking sidelocks, no flinters as of yet.

Here in South Carolina during archery and muzzleloading season the inlines are legal to hunt with. Since they classify the season as muzzleloader season vs primative arms season this is acceptable.

If you are just looking for an extended hunting season and want to stay with something more familiar then go with the inline.

If you want a whole new expierence in shooting, hunting and off season get togathers, then go with a Traditional style muzzleloader and find a local ML club to shoot with. Even the purist will accpet a new member with a #11 sidelock using Pyrodex, but bring an inline with fire sights, pellet loads and sabots and you will be lucky if they allow you anywhere near the firing line.

Just something to think about before making a purchase.

Regulis7
 
shaggypumpkin:
Bottom line, what do you want out of it?

Remember, YOU are the one who will use it and carry it.

If you are going to be happy with it, then go for it...

However, there is nothing more sickening than to spend $$$$$$$$$ and find out later that it is not what you wanted...
 
Shaggypumpkin I agree with everyones advise as a dealer I can tell you that 95% of (muzzleloaders ) sold are inlines of one type or another with 30 Plus years shootin Black powder it is annoyin when a person buys an inline then a three to nine x40mm scope some triple seven pellets and 209 primers and calls himself a muzzleloader hunter they will never understand until they shoot a traditional rifle whether perc. or flint most of them want to shoot a deer not hunt them. My greatest joy as a dealer is initiating a new shooter to a traditional rifle I have made some great friends this way and they frequently call me about their success or misses I also volunteer at a local conservation club at my expense teaching people about muzzleloading I let them shoot any one of my rifles as much as they want I had a young girl 9 years old this past summer shoot my 50 Kentucky five times she didnt want to shoot any of the others her dad said she would remember that for a long time. My only other advise is buy the best you can afford there are some stinkers out there If I have offended anyone I am sorry weasel
 
Never apologize for the stating the truth Weasel,if it hurts someones feelings then they need a reality check...kinda like the breaking eggs and making an omelet thing.....
 
Some people feel that the only reason folks buy an in-line rifle is to be able to hunt the muzzleloading season. They don't real care about, appreciate or have any interest in "muzzleloading" per se. But, that's just an opinion, what do we know.

There certainly is no "historical" aspect to modern in-line weapons. They are simply a modern firearm that takes longer to load than a cartridge.
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It's like lace curtains on a broken window...

Maybe in 150 years, in-line muzzleloaders will have some history to them, right now, it's just a "GAP" filler.

[In-lines. Void where prohibited by history.]
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Still, the Sharps .54 caliber is a breach-loading black powder percussion muzzleloader (so to speak), and it's sleek.
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I guess hunting with a centerfire rifle is not hunting because you don't stuff a round ball in a smooth bore and toss it 50 yards down range. I shoot an inline, 777 pellets, sst sabot, 209 primer, 3-9 scope, and it is still a muzzleloader. Kills deer nicely at over 200 yards. If you like the old stile muzzleloader thats fine but the inlines are great to shoot with, can be very accurate, and easy to clean when using some of the non blackpowder powder.
 
hello everyone again don't aim to start no feud we all need to stick together my statement to shaggypumpkin was meant to clarify what he wanted most states that have a seperate black powder season have few if any restrictions. The problem is with us old die hards is they were origanally set up as primitive seasons some were caplock some "pennsylvania' are still flintlock only. Here in Michigan if "Pa " keeler were alive he would be sorry for what black powder season has evolved into as he lobbied hard for a seperate season I have no problem with an inline during regular season especially in shotgun only zones.
I have pestered the dnr repeatedly to put more restrictions on this season to no avail instead they lowered them "no caliber restricions no projectile resrictions as long as it loads by the muzzle including the Savage smokeless powder rifle. Is anyone familiar with the ultimate muzzleloader? it is a five hundred yard rifle in the right hands do we need this in populated areas? My objective is to know where deer travel,bed and feed and have the closest shot possible not from two hundred yards away I must be doing something right I have three record book bucks two with muzzleloader one with shotgun
 
No feud needed. Sorry if I sounded hot. I just think a muzzleloader is a gun that loades from the muzzle. If you want a primitive season thats fine. Where do you draw the line on what fits into the primitive season? I got into muzzleloaders to get a second deer for the freezer.
 
Loading from the muzzle is only part of the picture, one could design a gun which would be a bolt action that the cartridge with primer and powder could be loaded from the breech then the bullet shoved down the barrel and seated, after fireing the cartridge could be extracted as with any center fire, by definition this would be a muzzle loader.. it would offer the same ballistics as a modern gun, if that is the only aspect of the definition that one acknowledges then there is little point in having two "classifications" of guns... no flame just another perspective, I think the modern type belong in modern seasons along side centerfires not in ML seasons most, folks who lobbied 30 years ago for the special ML season would agree, there was a definite type of gun EVERYONE had in mind when the ML seasons were started unless the special seasons are relitivly new. Human nature being what it is there is always the push to try and make things easier, faster, simpler, more user friendly, which is fine but kind of misses the point that was intended for "special" ML hunting seasons. They could not close the door back then on something that did not exist so we have what we have, and the line is drawn as to what folks feel about it. One side looks at the historical aspect and the original intent of most jurisdictions when they started the ML hunts, and the other side looks at a narrow definition (read loophole)to make their case. I think the loss falls to those who will not take the time to get to know the old guns and what they are capable of and imbrace the challenge, you can still easily put an extra deer or two in the locker.
 
how bout one season for all. flintlocks--bring 'em on, in-lines--you bet, shotguns of all varieties--load 'em up, and even ak47's--to kill and butcher all in the same trigger pull.

if that were to happen, i wonder which group would sell their old guns more often, the smokepolers or the in-line folks?

actually, i like the idea of a single shot--let's make that season a single shot season.

daniel
 
How about hunting with civil war cannons loaded with a bucket of bullets and round balls, one shot can depleate an entire ecosystem.

Of course, I am just being a smart a**....

I believe in, and support the one shot idea of hunting.

Anyone can lob a dozzen shots at a passing deer, it takes a real hunter to take game with one well placed shot.
 
I think that in some areas the one for all would work but many areas set up "special" seasons for those who would like the chance to use gear that is considered less high tech (ML. archery) and where a limited deer population exists it is a matter of how many tags may be allocated to what hunts so those that are really trying to use the low tech stuff are in competion for the tag itself with the new modern equipment users, this is not well received by some. personaly I hunt with a ML of pre-1840 style with RB in any season I can draw a tag. I know some folks who lobbied long and hard for this states ML hunts many years ago who have not drawn a tag for a long time due to the flood of applicants useing the "user friendly" equipment...something just isn't right about that. Changes have been made here to limit technology but it is akin to shutting the barn door after the cows have run out.
 
the only problem with using flintlocks during the regular rifle season is that they make you dress up like an orange pop. why do those white guys always try to control everything.

tongue in cheek of course--daniel
 
I had a french voyager's hat esspecially made in "hunter's orange" to still keep within Ohio's regulations, and to stay in pre-1840 style.

If I have to where orange, then I can still look good.

I thought about blaze orange pony beads or orange quill work on my indian war shirt, but then I smacked myself and got over it.
 
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