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Got a very fun package in the mail yesterday from Czerny's. I hadn't had a wheelock in a number of years so I sold a bunch of stuff for this auction and got one. I believe it is second quarter of the 17th century ca 1640s but I welcome your input. I got it with the miquelet carbine and lock separately posted
 

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NICE! Almost bid on that one myself! Less it is right-handed ...

Can you comment on the purchase process with Czernys? Handling, cost, shipping charges, customs, et al?

We should add you to our Group Private Message we have about wheellocks; it has about 5 or 6 of us on it already. Also helps us to prevent us from bidding against each other, LOL!
 
NICE! Almost bid on that one myself! Less it is right-handed ...

Can you comment on the purchase process with Czernys? Handling, cost, shipping charges, customs, et al?

We should add you to our Group Private Message we have about wheellocks; it has about 5 or 6 of us on it already. Also helps us to prevent us from bidding against each other, LOL!
I've bought from Czernys for years and you are right, you have to keep all that in mind or it would be super easy to overpay. Shipping is exciting because only UPS will ship for them. It used to be cheaper when Fedex would still do it but now.... UPS charges about 100 Euros fee for carrying any kind of firearm from Czernys no matter the age. Shipping for this latest package of two short muskets and a lock was about $500. The 100 Euro fee doesn't include parts so you can buy locks without the fees. Buyer's premium is about 22% and VAT of 21% of the buyers premium will also be added. UPS added about $40 customs fee when it got to the states. It's still cheaper than buying the same things in the states, if you can find them, but it can be a hastle and don't be in a hurry. This package sat for about a month waiting on the Italian government to give an export license for it. I would join your group private message but I'm not much of a threat. I wanted an example but I can't afford to collect them per se.
 
1640: Again, Congratulations !!!! What a great looking carbine. And very Italian looking in style. Note the similarity of this lock plate with the Naples style miquelet lock you previously posted. A wonderful piece for your collection.

As well, thanks for posting your "purchase experience" LOL All the EXTRA buyer's premium, VAT taxes, shipper's fee, shipping costs, custom's fee, etc. I call this the added "juice". LOL

That UPS-Italy is now the ONLY shipper for complete guns to the U.S., is a bit scary. Sounds like if UPS stops, we're doomed (?) But it also allows UPS to charge what ever they want, with no competition. Of course, it helps to be able to ship two guns and a lock in the one shipping box to help defray some of the costs. Again, thanks for updating us.

Rick
 
It is, I haven't bothered removing it yet but I know it is wrong
It may not be wrong. . .
Talking a while back with Jess the topic of wheellocks came up and he said nearly every original he has found had flint in the jaws. Historically i forget which site they found flint even in the jaws of a wheelock. Practically a friend was testing a repo wheellock and getting very poor results with pyrite. He switched to flint and bang, every time. Important note however is that the flint was not a modern sharp flint like you would see in a late 1700's but more the brutal rock from the early 1700's.
 
It may not be wrong. . .
Talking a while back with Jess the topic of wheellocks came up and he said nearly every original he has found had flint in the jaws. Historically i forget which site they found flint even in the jaws of a wheelock. Practically a friend was testing a repo wheellock and getting very poor results with pyrite. He switched to flint and bang, every time. Important note however is that the flint was not a modern sharp flint like you would see in a late 1700's but more the brutal rock from the early 1700's.
Interesting that it is common. One I got at auction had flint in both jaws too. I doubt it would work when the sparks on a wheellock are opposite from a flintlock? Its the rock creating sparking, not the metal. Some of the early attempts at snap locks (the correct kind lol) used pyrite too.
 
Interesting that it is common. One I got at auction had flint in both jaws too. I doubt it would work when the sparks on a wheellock are opposite from a flintlock? Its the rock creating sparking, not the metal. Some of the early attempts at snap locks (the correct kind lol) used pyrite too.
Thats what i thought at first as well. However, if the wheel is hardened as it should be then it would still make sparks as a flintlock does. Of course over time the wheel would wear. I found veteran arms has flint now that should be just like what they would have used. I use it for my miquelets as the geometry of the flint striking is so different from a french lock. They look like they would work well for a reverse wheellock.
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Thats what i thought at first as well. However, if the wheel is hardened as it should be then it would still make sparks as a flintlock does. Of course over time the wheel would wear. I found veteran arms has flint now that should be just like what they would have used. I use it for my miquelets as the geometry of the flint striking is so different from a french lock. They look like they would work well for a reverse wheellock.
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Very intriguing. Would be an educational test for someone that has a wheellock they are willing to risk.
 
Doh … flints are a good way to DESTROY an otherwise functional wheellock IMHO. I won’t advise the use of ferrro-rods, as I’ve seen them dull a wheellock wheel too!

But, to each their own :ghostly: !

And although I can’t prove it, I’d bet it was NOT done way back when, but was likely something done in the Victorian age when it was all the rage to have one’s house or manor decorated with arms, made of bits and parts of real arms.

“Hey Malcom, I have this wheellock replica for ye … whaddya want me to put in the **** (dog)?” “Oh heck mate, just stick me a chunk of flint in thar’ … “

Heck, I wouldn’t even put it past the Auction Houses, as the only thing they pay homage to is $$$$$!
 
Doh … flints are a good way to DESTROY an otherwise functional wheellock IMHO. I won’t advise the use of ferrro-rods, as I’ve seen them dull a wheellock wheel too!

But, to each their own :ghostly: !

And although I can’t prove it, I’d bet it was NOT done way back when, but was likely something done in the Victorian age when it was all the rage to have one’s house or manor decorated with arms, made of bits and parts of real arms.

“Hey Malcom, I have this wheellock replica for ye … whaddya want me to put in the **** (dog)?” “Oh heck mate, just stick me a chunk of flint in thar’ … “

Heck, I wouldn’t even put it past the Auction Houses, as the only thing they pay homage to is $$$$$!
That does sound thoroughly Victorian. A perfect addition to sawing the barrel down and covering the stock in poorly carved mother of pearl. *shudders*
 
Doh … flints are a good way to DESTROY an otherwise functional wheellock IMHO. I won’t advise the use of ferrro-rods, as I’ve seen them dull a wheellock wheel too!


Heck, I wouldn’t even put it past the Auction Houses, as the only thing they pay homage to is $$$$$!
Agreed on the fault/ignorance of auction houses! Too much trouble/expense to find pyrite when they must have a wheelbarrow full of flint. It's "Practical decoration". A missing "anything" in the dog jaws is like a smile with a missing front tooth. The object is to get the firearm sold and out the back door!

Now on the other side of the coin...the firearm may have been obtained with flint from a previous owner who used it as such, ruining the wheel and getting rid of it via the auction house...pronto!
 
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It's a lovely acquisition, Flintlock!
Rather rare and very special!
I am so pleased you got it!

Re pyrites and flints, I have even seen them decorated with a piece of wood in the jaws, and I think we can be certain that they were not using that
back in the day!
 
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