need help with ID

[buckknife]

A buddy of mine has purchased this rifle.The story behind it is it has been passed down through generations of people till it reached someone that didnt want it.It has supposed to have been used during the civil war by someones great great grandpappy.The buddy who has it knows the people well he purchased it from.
It is a fullstock with aproximatly a 38 inch barrel,brass trigger guard and nose cap.Not sure about the butt plate.Has no check rest and appears to made of walnut?It apears to be a small bore with a hexagon twist of some sort maybe a smooth bore.I havnt seen the gun and can only go by the pics,which were scaned and printed and rescanned for here.There not real clear.
Does anyone have any idea just what year or maker this gun could be.
There is also a bore obstruction of some kind about half way down.Maybe a stuck ball or bullet?I told him to be carefull with it because it may still have a load in it.

 

[buckknife]

it was also converted from flint is the story.I have looked for this trigger guard and have yet to find one like it on the net yet.

 

[trent/OH]

Every old muzzleloader was carried by somebody's great grandpappy in the civil war, if not the Revolution, or both, if you ask the family involved. Probably used by a sniper to kill a general too. And the bullet halfway down the barrel was probably shot by the enemy and just by luck went down the bore from dead ahead. :rotf:

 

[buckknife]

could have been used by Lt.Chuck U Farley as far as i know,thus the need for identifacation of the time peirod and make of the rifle.

 

[hack]

The first thing your buddy should do is to take the gun to a (good) gun smith and have it debreached.
They can then push out whatever is in the barrel.
After that, take the gun to someone qualified to identify it.

 

[buckknife]

He bought this gun to sell.I know where there is another one that has a 44 inch barrel,its in pretty bad shape.The stock toward the muzzel has been tacked with a brass sheet in a couple of places and the wood is rotted around the tang where the barrel is held in place by duck tape at this time.it is around 36 cal hexagon smooth bore.
im thinken maybe both of these guns where some type of squirrel guns.It has some writing on the lock but would take some elbow grease to read it under the rust.Told my buddy to look carefully for some kind of words or markings on the gun he has.Will find out tomorrow.If no ID is made on this gun it will be put on auction in the future.
Does anybody have any info on this small bore hexgon bore muzzleloaders?Ive seen several over the last few years that are all small bores.Maybe they were much more common then some would like to belive,or maybe they were a pacing fad.Id just like to know what year or time period these guns come from.
If anyone is intrested in buying this gun send me a PT and i will give you his email so you can get some good digital pics of it.

 

[rebel727]

This is way out of my line of expertise if indeed I have any expertise on anything but from the pics I'd say it's a .32 squirrel gun. Wouldn't even attempt to name a date or maker.

 

[buckknife]

Here is the other gun

Here is a springfield type rifle that has had the stock choped and has some pretty wood

This fella has several sears double barrel caplocks,some would take some lock work in repairs others would need much more.Some other doubles that dont have an id.

I had more pics of the long rifle and a spring fiel percusion stamped 1825 springfield on the lock that i lost somehows when loading this stuff.
The springfield has the biggest hammer i have ever seen in my life,its huge.The stock is real nasty but could be restored.

 

[Toomuch_36]

Can't say for sure, but the styling seams to be that of a "Tryon". Built in and around the Fort Pitt/Ohio valley area around the beginning of the 19th century.

Toomuch
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Shoot Flint

 

[buckknife]

well he caint find any markings of any kind on the gun.I will see what i can dig up on the tryon guns.The gun was inherited by a 22 years old who grandfather passed away recently.he was in need of some quick cash.The bore obstruction is a over size chunk of lead purposlly drove down the bore so no one would be loaden it and getting hurt that dont know much about front stuffers.The gun has been taken care of over the years fairly well id guess.It will probably be sold on ebay or some aution some time as a old squirrel gun.Maybe some one out there collects em.He paid 150 bucks for the gun so he may turn some profit on it.

 

[rebel727]

Can't sell a complete gun on ebay. Gunbroker would be a good choice, they sell a lot of original guns.

 

[buckknife]

Found out today the rifle is a 40 cal,there is no bore obstruction.The triggers and hammer all work like it should.With the use of a magnifine glass there is wordin on the lock,just caint make it out under the rust.Still dont know if its a smooth bore yet or rifled,this fella dont know nuthin about guns,he is one heck of grease monkey though.Darn i wish i would run into a possible antique long rifle in shooten order for 150 bucks.

 

[rebel727]

Going by the pic it looks rifled to me.

 

[buckknife]

It does kinda look like it maybe rifled.

 

[buckknife]

Buddy sold the gun for 1,100 bucks.Not bad for a 150 dollar investment :thumbsup: