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TNHillbilly

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Dug this stuff out I started long ago. The 'Bowie' knife I made from an old auto leaf spring. I like the ebony wood, had thought about the stag horn, and just couldn't decide what would go together. Also had picked up some Cocobolo-I think-along the way but think the pieces are too small. The 'powder horn' I carved way back when and would like to make some silver/gold colored fittings like the original. Don't really have a clue what materials to use there. The horn would go great, I think, with the wheellock pistol I'm building. Thoughts, sugggestions, welcome. I'm clearly no knife maker, but think the old Bowie knives were great.
 
Whoops, guess a picture would help!
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I would go with the stag or horn myself. The woods you have were not readly advailable the time those were made. Hope that helps.
 
well hey u could add a couple of slivers of that ebony and cocobolo to the ends of the stage antler, would look nice. :thumbsup:
 
Interesting point! I hadn't even thought about when ebony came into use in the U.S., or whether it would have been used for that 'Bowie' knife period. Or, for that matter, in that particular area. Hhhmmmm! As for the horn, I guess ebony would look good, and no doubt would be accurate for early European. You've probably seen pics of that flask I loosely copied from a pic of the original. It had fancy metal( found a pic of the original). Can't imagine what the cost of that thing would be today!
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Well most "Bowies" were made in Sheffield, and most Sheffield knives used fancy woods like padauk and ebony.

But since we're talking homespun, antler is really the way to go.

:v
 
You could also use maple, walnut, oak, or most any native hardwood. At least by the time of the Bowie, "ebonizing" light colored woods was also done. This is little more than a very black stain applied to the light wood in order to imitate ebony.
 
IMHO there are much better designs for a Bowie Knife blade than the one you have copied. What you do for a handle depends on what you want. No one can tell you what to do. If you want a more traditional grip, then use wood- probably American Walnut, hickory, maple, or even persimmon. Remember, the original Bowie was made in Arkansas, so whatever handle it came with came from that area of the country. It may even have been oak!

The idea that a strip of brass was put over the backside of the blade has been pretty much rejected by authorities. Brass will not hold or break the edge of a thin sword blade like those of an epee, for instance. You choil is too small to put a finger into it comfortably to control the blade during hacking and slicing moves, much less during a thrust. Bowie was famed as a knife fighter, with many fights in his past before the Sandbar fight of historical fame. He and his brother, Resin, worked with and designed knives that they could use in such fighting, so a bit of knowledge about knife fighting, and the use of various styles of blades is beneficial to understanding what the Bowie blade probably looked like. The Moore Bowie may not be THE Bowie Knife, but its at least a fairly good representative of the knives made in that period that capitalized on the Bowie design. The cuts in the backstrap WILL catch and break a swordblade assuming the knife wielder has the wrist stength, and the knowledge to apply the leverage quickly enough to break such a blade.

I personally find it difficult to believe that the Bowie Knife made for him would have a blade wider than 1 3/4". Anything wider gets to be very unwieldy, IMHO, and the knifes with the wider blades are little more than a butcher's cleaver. They are great for splitting bones, and cutting through gristle, and meat, but I would not want to take one to a knife fight.
 
Two good looking knives! Not exactly sure why they're called 'Bowie' knives since they look totally different. I guess the idea, perhaps, is the Bowie boys had both? The Musso version appears to be curved slightly or, is that an optical illusion? The handles are both nice, whether ebonized or the first, true ebony. I found a can of 'ebony' stain I acquired somewhere along the line. And, I have a ton of maple so I'll experiment with that and see what it looks like.
 
Wick Ellerbe said:
An almost perfect copy of the well known Musso Bowie, with "ebonized" maple grip.
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now thats bowie knife
 
I cut a piece of straight grained maple out of my slab and tried some Valspar 'ebony' stain I had. One coat just barely stains, 2 coats really covers, but looks more like paint. Note, however, it does penetrate the end grain very well. It does provide a viable way to 'ebonize'.
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TN Hills guy,
Try an old emonizer solution formula like this!

In a quart glass jar, place one 000 steel wool pad and then fill jar with white vinegar to cover pad. Let set at least 8-12 hours, then strain liquid thru a coffee filter into a clean jar.

With swab or foam brush. Wipe onto wood and let dry. If after drying time your wood is not dark enough...wipe on some more and let dry! The solution will be clear out of the jar, as the chemical reaction will darken the wood. I've used this on powder horn wood several times and will again. Good wood penitration when several coats applied!

Also, used this formula many times in woodworking and originally got it out of an old publication that was printed in the early nineteenth century.

Good luck,
Rick
 
Thanks, I love some of these old formulas! Got a book called 'The Modern Gunsmith' by James V. Howe, 2 vols., about 1935, I think. Got a bunch of formulas with some interesting sounding chemicals. I'm almost afraid to go anywhere and ask for them in fear I'd be visited by the ATF, or someone! Yours is an easy one, I'll give it a try!
 
Man, that is a beauty. Can you tell me a bit more of the handle's constuction? One piece? wood type? Silver-German silver? That blade design is great!
 
was steel wool around in the early 19th century? if not what was used in its' place in the formula iron filings?
 
It is one piece of of the blackest ebony I have yet found. I had to buy a $100.oo worth to get it. The mounts on that knife are nickle-silver. Shaping the guard was not a lot of fun, but the rest went easy. The blade is 12"x 1 3/4" wide, of 1/4" 01 steel. That Bowie was ordered by a movie armorer to be presented for consideration by Ron Howard to be the Bowie knife for "THE ALAMO". Obviously, things did not work out. They ended up with a Musso type, smaller than the real Musso, after Howard bailed out of directing the film. My contact was let go, but then later re-hired, but too late for my knife to be considered. No biggy, I made one phone call and sold it the very day I got the news.
 
tg said:
was steel wool around in the early 19th century? if not what was used in its' place in the formula iron filings?

nosteel wool...yes to iron filings, the same as was used when making AF
 
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