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[Hatman/2nd line]

I have a KIbler .54 smooth rifle and couldn't be happier, you'll really like yours,

 

[CapPopper]

It's ordered .58 cal smoothbore colonial w/o patchbox with cherry stock. Maybe if the heavens align I'll be able to have it for this year's primitive season. Gun season starts this Monday and I've already got the .50 ready to put in work. Thanks again guys!

 

[sportster73hp]

There is also the option of buying a second (or third) barrel for your stock as they are all cnc cut to size .

 

[CapPopper]

I considered that not a huge fan of changing them much but I guess just for deer season then back wouldn't be too often. It's a good idea.

 

[Zapadach]

Just finished a Kibler southern mountain rifle in .40 caliber, I had never built a rifle kit before that. It turned out beautifully and if I build another some day, it will be a Colonia in .58 caliber. Go for the Kibler !

 

[Coinneach]

Go for the Kibler if you can afford it. You get what you pay for. A cheap kit is fine for
hunting but for legacy rifles, you need a Kibler or equal.

Thats what I'd do too, "a little more that I can afford" can be budgeted for (eg build up a reserve fund....patience is required) but too much compromise on a "less than" kit will always be regretted.

 

[Coinneach]

Kibler rifle all the way, I really want one but it is not in the cards, as I am a left handed shooter.

You and I both, cruel isnt it.

 

[Coinneach]

For similar money you could also consider a Chambers which is more of a "build" than kibler from what I've seen.

I'm leaning pretty hard toward one myself but the Edward Marshall or the English gentleman's rifle in 58 is the question!

I'm building a Chambers LH Isaac Haines rifle in .50 cal swaged barrel, AAA curly maple but theres a lot of work in it. Be prepared to "adjust" the inletting here and there.

 

[Coinneach]

Well wife ok'd my purchase! Looking at the approximate trajectory of a .575 round ball I cannot see even dreaming of shooting past 75 even if I'm getting 2" groups there. Drop numbers go up real fast past 75. So worrying about much range seems fairly pointless. So I think I am going to go smoothbore cause I don't want to use a rangefinder ever time something isn't real close anyways, and I have two rifles already. Plus since I'm in Ohio kibler is super local. Thanks for the opinions fellas everyone shooting a smoothbore seems to really love them so I'm going to give it a go! If I feel I need a rifle later that's just a real good excuse to buy another gun or build one. Thanks all!

Yep you married the right Girl, does she have any sisters ? LOL

 

[GoodRabbitPilgrim]

You and I both, cruel isnt it.

If it makes you feel any better, we can't get Kiblers into Australia.

 

[CapPopper]

Yep you married the right Girl, does she have any sisters ? LOL

You would never even believe they are related lol

 

[Coinneach]

If it makes you feel any better, we can't get Kiblers into Australia.

Why is that ?
Here in QLD we have no trouble importing ML guns or Kits with Police Customs import approval.

 

[GoodRabbitPilgrim]

Why is that ?
Here in QLD we have no trouble importing ML guns or Kits with Police Customs import approval.

I looked at getting one through Pedersoli Australia. He had already just gone through the process of trying to import one for someone else. Kibler refused to stamp them with a serial number which means they can't come into the country. Jim ended up putting it into the too hard basket.

It's a shame, but mind you kiblers never replied to my last two emails to them so I don't think they were too interested anyhow.

 

[Coinneach]

I looked at getting one through Pedersoli Australia. He had already just gone through the process of trying to import one for someone else. Kibler refused to stamp them with a serial number which means they can't come into the country. Jim ended up putting it into the too hard basket.

It's a shame, but mind you kiblers never replied to my last two emails to them so I don't think they were too interested anyhow.

That surprises me about Kibler, seems to indicate he's a less than reasonable and arrogant individual.

I can only speak for QLD legislation, here a ML gun in kit form can be imported (with Customs approval) conditional on the barrel being un-vented, which means it doesnt need a rego number.

 

[DuncNZ]

I have owned a Kibler Colonial in 58 cal with a rifled barrel for about a year and a half. I feel that it was well worth the price. The combination of superb balance, top quality components, and exceptional accuracy has earned it a “top gun” position amongst my dozen muzzleloaders. For deer hunting out to 80 yards I’d be more confident with a rifled barrel. I limit my more versatile smoothbore to 50 yards for deer hunting. I considered a smoothbore in my Kibler but after experiencing the accuracy of the GM square cut rifled barrel, I’m glad I went with it. I’m primarily a deer hunter.
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Great group Makes me wish I lived where there was no wind

 

[DuncNZ]

I live by DKASPRZAK rules, 20 to 30 yds. There’s a lot of thickets, Rhododendrons and such, in my NW North Carolina mountains. And first rule, know what your smooth or rifled bore will do at what distance.

What are DKASPRZAK rules ? a guy from the southern Pacific needs to know

 

[DuncNZ]

I've thought about this a lot. I build my own guns so don't have to make the rifled or smoothbore decision. I've built a few of each. I have a shooting range and can shoot all my flinters...rifled and smoothbore well. That being said in a hunting situation I still don't take 100 yard shots with my rifles. If I was in a stand with a solid rest and the deer calm and in a clearing like a green patch I would feel confident about a 100 yard shot but I don't like sitting in shooting houses. The stands I hunt are set up for bowhunting in creek bottoms so a smoothbore works great. I killed a doe a couple days ago with my .54/28 and hunted yesterday with my .45 rifle.

My point with the long winded post is think hard about what you would enjoy the most. For me it's hands down a smoothbore. I don't see the need for a rifle just because I might need to shoot 20-30 yards farther one day. I'll just let that deer walk and shoot him some other day when he's closer. I could sell all my rifles tomorrow and it wouldn't change the way I hunt.

I have never shot deer from a stand. It is all stalking where I hunt , the old Scottish rule is "get as close as you can then get 5 yards closer . do you get up into your stand before the season and range find all the areas around you and put out sticks as limit of range markers ?

 

[flashpoint]

View attachment 106132My Kibler .58 rifle does well at 72 yards

Congrats on that one. Looks like some pretty open country

 

[GoodRabbitPilgrim]

That surprises me about Kibler, seems to indicate he's a less than reasonable and arrogant individual.

I can only speak for QLD legislation, here a ML gun in kit form can be imported (with Customs approval) conditional on the barrel being un-vented, which means it doesnt need a rego number.

In that case perhaps it's possible that you could get it in, I didn't think about the difference in state legislation on that end.

 

[Zapadach]

That surprises me about Kibler, seems to indicate he's a less than reasonable and arrogant individual.

I can only speak for QLD legislation, here a ML gun in kit form can be imported (with Customs approval) conditional on the barrel being un-vented, which means it doesnt need a rego number.

Just recently I had a conversation with Jim Kibler that indicates he is certainly not an unreasonable arrogant individual. I think you would do Jim as well as yourself a great disservice in thinking so. He is very accommodating and committed to custermer satisfaction.