Not done yet but pic

[wiscoaster]

BTW, in the above picture you'll notice locks, triggers and buttplates are all in at the end of 4 1/2 days. Last week we finished shaping and started putting on patchboxes and relief carving. I think we may be real close to finishing these up by the end of the next class.

Hmmmm .... I thought they only took four hours.

BTW - looks like a bunch of pretty normal OK guys to me. Didn't see any pink panties poking out of any waistbands in that group.

 

[Shiloh]

So, what's your real issue with me? Curious.

Your attitude. Life is too short to put up with people with attitudes like yours.

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

Your attitude. Life is too short to put up with people with attitudes like yours.

What exactly is wrong with my attitude? I freely give help and information. My answers are short and to the point. Do you see any other professional gunmakers offering any help here?

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

Hmmmm .... I thought they only took four hours.

BTW - looks like a bunch of pretty normal OK guys to me. Didn't see any pink panties poking out of any waistbands in that group.

None of those are Kibler kits. All are made from a plank. I can finish a gun from a blank in under 40 hours, . Most others can't. I do try to teach confidence in tool use which speeds up build time quite a bit.
AND, all of those guys are manly men and may not even wear underwear.

 

[sturmkatze]

Now that was truly helpful.

full disclosure here……I’ve been on here less than a year. Since I’ve been here I’ve not seen any post by Mike Brooks that was helpful in any way.

He always brags about how many rifles he’s built. But the funny thing is I’ve never heard of him except on here. I don’t know of anyone else that has either.

Why don’t YOU leave. I’m going to hit the ignore on you. Mike Brooks has been making guns for years and there’s quite a lot of evidence for it. Lots of good videos too. If he causes you so much pain, hit ignore and move on. Who are you? Are you someone great? This is disgusting.

 

[sturmkatze]

Your post defies logic. I came here to learn something not tell everyone how great I am or tell others how stupid they are for doing something I disagree with. And tell them what they built is junk.

If I have offended you because I called out your hero then you are welcome to block me. In fact I suggest it.

Oh, I am. As soon as I’m done with today’s reading. Why don’t you go back to tick tock and harass there

 

[sturmkatze]

Been living under a rock? Do you doubt my resume?
Google my name and the word flintlock. That should bring you up to speed.
I have over 10,000 posts on the ALR....
Why are you so damned mad anyway?

Mike, just hit ignore on this guy. There are several that need to be.

 

[deerstalkert]

Your attitude. Life is too short to put up with people with attitudes like yours.

check out your attitude lately?
do you have anything constructive to give the forum?
if i were going to build a house would i go to Tim The Tool Man Taylor or Frank Loyd Wright?
Tim would be a barrel of laughs but FLW would have the corner on a masterpiece.

 

[Shiloh]

What exactly is wrong with my attitude? I freely give help and information. My answers are short and to the point. Do you see any other professional gunmakers offering any help here?

You have been told many times about your attitude. You keep saying nobody listens to you but evidently you don’t listen either.

Your answers are along the lines of….you are stupid for doing that or that’s junk. I was having trouble with an Indian made lock. I knew it wasn’t the best quality but it was available. Your “help” for me was “you got what you paid for”. That’s pretty typical of your help.

And to answer your last question, yes.

 

[Comfortably_Numb]

It's your world , have fun in it.

 

[HSmithTX]

During my career in manufacturing I hired (and fired) numerous engineers, technicians, toolmakers, etc. Technical folks. Hands on thinkers. Always found the best of the best seemed to march to a different drummer. They could care less if feelings were hurt or if they were making friends. They were dedicated to their craft. They wanted to get things right. They thrived on teaching, one way or the other. You would sink or swim with them not because of how nice you were to them, rather how you performed. They solved problems and turned things out fast. Don’t get in their way. Amazingly, most every customer and supplier also had these types of folks. I would seek them out. You didn’t have to worry about what they said. It was the truth, no matter how painful. Develop a trust with them and you could figure things out, fast. The feel good crowd were shocked with the information I freely got from other organizations. Go with the folks blowing sunshine where it typically didn’t shine, saying things that others wanted to hear instead of what they needed to hear, ultimately getting stepped on all the time, and one was in trouble, fast. Costing many their jobs.

The Evil One is exactly the type of person I would turn rocks over looking for to either deal with or hire if I could. And for the record, I have never met, talked to or purchased anything from the man. Nothing for me to gain or pay back here.

AMEN!!!!!

 

[SDSmlf]

Hmmmm .... I thought they only took four hours.

BTW - looks like a bunch of pretty normal OK guys to me. Didn't see any pink panties poking out of any waistbands in that group.

The guns in the photograph are not snap together Kiblers.

 

[HSmithTX]

Sidetrack: It's like seeing bumper stickers in the parking lot, people advertise their inability to comprehend things that to others are simple, and I really appreciate it so I don't waste a second on them.

If you get your feelings hurt hover on the bad person's username, a box will pop up and you can click on the button labeled "Ignore". Bam, the bad man is banished from your view. This is also quite handy for the people that have nothing to contribute but their own voice, same procedure, no more bloviating or lectures.

 

[Shiloh]

It's your world , have fun in it.

Same to ya buddy.

 

[Cayman like]

Same to ya buddy.

I always look forward to Mike's posts. He reminds me of my 1st Sergeant 50 years ago. I laughed out loud when he critiqued a gun that was awarded "masterclass " by something and he said "it looks like something from Dixie Gun Works "...lol!

.

 

[54ball]

I always look forward to Mike's posts. He reminds me of my 1st Sergeant 50 years ago. I laughed out loud when he critiqued a gun that was awarded "masterclass " by something and he said "it looks like something from Dixie Gun Works "...lol!

.

Yep.
What makes it funny is he is absolutely right. Mike knows 18th Century Gunmaking. J.P. Beck could enter a rifle in one of those competitions and he would lose. J.P. Beck is like my favorite rifle guy ever.

 

[Flintandsteel]

Shiloh,
Sounds like you must be a pretty good gun builder yourself.
How about showing us some of your work.
Built from a plank, Not a precarved kit.

Wiscoaster,
Theses guys are REAL builders. Built from a plank, not a Kibler kit, that they screwed up. Hard to screw up a Kibler kit.
Unless you’re not willing to listen to people that really build flintlocks for a living.

 

[wiscoaster]

...

Wiscoaster,
Theses guys are REAL builders. Built from a plank, not a Kibler kit, that they screwed up. Hard to screw up a Kibler kit.
Unless you’re not willing to listen to people that really build flintlocks for a living.

Can't resist getting in one last dig, can you? Makes one wonder about your sig.....

 

[54ball]

Working on 8 pages.....
Crow#21957 might be thinking.

Gee, was my rifle really that bad?
The answer is absolutely Not!! It's a great accomplishment!! I like it. It reminds me of one of my favorite rifles, a rifle I wish I still had.

The rifle I miss was built by a pretty big name in this hobby. It was one of his first blank builds when he was selling finished guns to pay for the next parts set.
The lock panels and lower forestock were not quite right on that one. Even on period guns, especially "re-stocks" you'll see lock panels not executed quite up to snuff.
Some of my favorite originals are guns like that.

Crow,
One issue that is affecting the front of your lock panels is the forestock is a little in the square.
In the photos of your rifle, the glare of the finish catches the edge of the square.
The edge starts about mid forestock between the lock and ramrod entry.
This edge can be seen between the triggers and the bottom of the lock panel. There should be no hump there between the bottom of the lock panel and the trigger assembly.
Since the bottom of the stock is still a little square, this makes the front of your lock panels shallow.
The belly or bottom of the stock should be round.
The front of the lock panels are rounded but perpendicular to the belly of the stock.
There's a lot of complex curves going on where all this meets.
It's a difficult area. There's lots going.
rasps, files, a round rattail, scrapers....
It's a complex area.
Untitled by Travis Brown, on Flickr
Above is a Lyman GPR.
Most of what I'm talking about is in the shadow but if you look close hopefully you can see what I'm talking about.
Notice the belly of the stock continues to the trigger guard.
Even though it's in the shadow, notice there is no hump between the bottom of the side panel and the trigger. This are area is smooth, pretty much flat.
Notice the front or the nose of the side panel and how it meets the bottom and belly of the forestock.
As you can see there's a lot going on here.
It's great to see and handle original guns but even good factory guns can give you a lot of help.
I want to make clear that your rifle is a great accomplishment. This is for the next one.

 

[Flintandsteel]

Wis,
Not at all, just responding to yours. You know what I said is the truth.
It kinda seems like all the name calling, and disparaging remarks are coming from those who only want to pontificate or their abilities, when they are not there.
You’ve shown who you are, thought maybe your buddy who seems to know everything would be willing to show his work so we could see what we’re dealing with.
You know I’m telling the truth, myself and many others tried to help you, but YOU made it personal. Many times, just like now.