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JiminTexas

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I bit the bullet (although not all that hard) and am in the process of buying a flinlock. Now what will I need to get in order to make smoke and lead fly out of the end of the barrel? I'm sure that there are things that are absolutely necessary (powder, shot, patches, etc.) and other things that are in the "nice things to have, but not absolutely necessary at first" catagory. I would appreciate any advice on which items go in which category and what are some of the beter names, brands or sources for shooting accessories.
 
Get or build a powder measure so you know what amount of powder you are useing. Use it to load the gun, not directly from the can.(safety reasons) Extra flints, Oil or bore butter to treat the rifle after you have cleaned it. Clean the rifle after each days use. Black powder is not like smokeless as it will draw dampness and wreck the barrol in short order. this is a must.

Then comes a endless amount of toys. Bags,bullet pullers, jags, loading blocks, patch knives. If you can shoot with a local club the first fiew times it would be very helpfull. I have never met a black powder man that was not quick to help a new bee. Check around your area. I get as much pleasure out of building my extras as I do shooting.
 
Jim,
you are not the first to start this line of inquiry. Do a search on this and the percussion index, and you should find several relevant threads.
starting is easy, a rifle, patches, balls, and for rock-locks, flints. Patch lube can be as simple as spit, or a topic that takes up (and has taken up) pages on MLF
But to reinforce the above post, get a powder measure. This is important for safety (loading from a horn or can carries a high risk of explosion) and for shooting safely and consistently (consistent load, knowing you are not exceeding a safe load for your rifle, fine tuning accuracy, etc.). I'd recommend an adjustable powder measure, because you will be experiementing with various loads to find out what your baby prefers.
I'll turn this over to the next advisor
Good luck, make smoke, have fun
bramble
 
Well, if you are New to ML'ing the FIRST thing you need is the Lyman Blackpowder Handbook or one of the latest Sam Fadela's book on BP. You can learn more in there in one night than ya can on here in a month & have the book there for memory backup. IMHO, one of these books is a must for a newbie & can save ya from allot of stupid & possibly unsafe events..

If you are a percussion shooter, IMHO all ya need to switch to a flinter is a flintlock rifle & a vent pick or a gem clip & some Tom Fuller Black English flints that are correct for the rifle & you are good to go........
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Where are you starting from? Have you handled and shot firearms? Have you used muzzleloaders at all? There is a wealth of info on this forum, but I'd start first with using the forum to hook up with someone (or a club) in your area. They say a picture is worth a thousand words, but a hands on demonstration has to be worth at least a hundred pictures!
 
I have a lot of experience with modern cartridge guns, both rifle and pistol, but I have never even fired a muzzleloader. I guess that you could say that I know enough to know that I don't know anything. I have received a kind offer from a board member here to give me some first hand advice and to share some of his knowledge about muzzleloaders in general and flintlocks in particular. I'll be taking him up on that offer. Thanks for the advice on the books too. I'll see if they are available at the local book store. If not, I assume that I can get them from[url] Amazon.com[/url]. Again, thankls for taking the time to respond.
 
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Jimin Texas Go to 410W at Fredricksburg road. Access road South and W about a block to The Gun Shop they should be able to get you everything plus put you on to somebody that can take you under their wing so to speak.
Good Luck
Fox :thumbsup:
 
Hey Jim,

Sounds like you are off to a good start. A real live mentor is the very best way to go. Reading is one thing; having an old hand looking over your shoulder while you try it for the first time is another.

I'm sure that there are things that are absolutely necessary (powder, shot, patches, etc.) and other things that are in the "nice things to have, but not absolutely necessary at first" catagory. I would appreciate any advice on which items go in which category and what are some of the beter names, brands or sources for shooting accessories.

For suppliers, I generally turn to either Track of the Wolf or The Log Cabin. You can find other suppliers listed in the links section of this forum.

I usually end up with Hornady balls, but most brands will do just fine. I prefer GOEX black powder. I'm less picky on my patches -- as long as they are the right thickness and appear to be tightly woven I don't pay any attention to brand name.

As for what you need:

To Shoot:

- powder. Some guys like 2F for calibers over .50 and 3F for calibers .50 and under. I use 3F in my .54 with no problem.

- balls. If you are shooting a common size (such as .50) you can usually get your balls either 0.010" or 0.005" under bore size (e.g. balls of 0.490" or .495" diameter for a .50). Some calibers are hard to find in both variations and you're stuck with what the market offers (for example, I can get 0.395" balls for my .40, but 0.390" balls are hard to find).

- shooting patches. They come in different thicknesses. If your ball is .010" under bore size (e.g. a 0.490" ball in a .50 caliber bore) you probably want a patch that is 0.015" thick. If your ball is 0.005" under bore size (e.g. a 0.495" ball in a .50 caliber bore) then you probably want a patch is 0.010" thick. You might want to get a small quantity of each size and see what works best for you. If the gun is new, the thinner patches might be better until the bore gets "broken in."

- patch lube. Commercial products (such as Bore Butter) work fine, but Stumpkiller's Moose Milk recipe works just as well or better. (you can find the recipe on the forum). Spit works fine, if you want to go that route.

- priming powder. You should be able to use the same powder for priming that you use in your main charge. Some guys like using 4F instead.

- flints. I prefer Black English Flints, available from a number of suppliers. If your lock is set up well, you can get 40+ shots out of a single flint. Some have lasted me 100+ shots. So you don't need to buy more than a handful right away.

- a scrap of leather for holding the flint in the cock's jaws. Some people prefer lead for this job. The leather doesn't have to be real thick, only enough to have some "give" in it so that it will truly grip the flint. Don't buy that "flint leather" that DGW sells... not up to the task and certainly not worth the cost.

- a screw driver with a blade that fits the screw which holds the flint in the cock's jaws. Make sure it is a good fit or you'll bugger up that slot in no time.

- a horn or flask to hold the powder. You don't need this right away, so take your time and find something you really like. For the time being, you can pour your powder from the can into the measure. A little gizmo like this one will make that easier.

- a powder measure. Captain Saftey says: Pour your powder from the horn into a measure, and then from the measure into the bore. Always. It ensures you get the right amount of powder, and prevents the whole flask from going up in a ball of flame if there should be some ember alive in the bore. One of the first things you are going to do with your new rifle is "work up a load." Part of that is figuring out just how much powder best suits the gun at different ranges, etc. For that will really want an adjustable powder measure like this one. Once you've worked up your load(s) you can carve or make measures to exactly the right charge.

- a primer. If you want to use 4F as a prime, you may want a small horn or other device to put it in the pan. I like this kind. If you are going to use your regular powder to prime the pan, just use your powder measure to get it there (that gizmo on the can will probably be too big and awkward to get powder in the pan; if you are going to use your horn for that job, think about how well size / shape of the tip will work while you are shopping for it).


- a short starter. Some guys don't like them because they believe they were not used back in the day. I won't try to load without mine.

- a ramrod. The gun should have one on it, along with a suitable jag-style button on the end. It is dished out to fit neatly on the ball for loading. You may want a "range rod" too -- a longer rod of metal or wood, with a drilled and tapped end that will hold various tips for loading, cleaning, etc. If you get a range rod, you probably want a bore protector to go with it.

- a way to pull a stuck ball. You could load the ball without powder under it, or the powder might fail to ignite for some reason (usually dampness). You can use a screw that fits on the end of your ramrod and pull the ball manually, or you can get one of those CO2 gizmos and blow it out.

- a vent pick. At its basic level it is just a piece of wire. Cut a 3" piece of safety wire and you're good to go for now. You use it to pick debris out of the vent, or to loosen up packed powder in there if it causes a misfire.

To Clean: the residue left behind by burning black powder (and pyrodex) is very corrosive. The cure is to clean the rifle after every range session, or at the end of the day if you fired it while hunting. Don't fire your new rifle until you have the stuff you need to clean it.

- a cleaning jag that fits the end of your ramrod or range rod.

- a bore brush. Many folks don't like using brushes (for fear of damaging the bore), so you might consider it optional. I use one.

- cleaning patches. Absorbant, and bigger than the shooting patches. They should fit snug in the bore, but not so snug they will get jammed up.

- a patch retriever. A coiled piece of wire that fits on the end of your ramrod, used to fish out cleaning patches that fall off the rod on the way out.

- a fouling scraper (optional). Used to scrap away any crud that accumulates on the face of the breech plug so the water will rinse it away. Make sure it fits... for example, Lyman recommends a .36 cal scraper for the GPR because of the way the breech area is shaped.

- water. The best cleaning solution is water, with or without soap as you desire. You can follow the water with good ol' Hoppes #9 (or something similar). Some cleaners will screw up the finish on the stock, so be careful if you use them. Water is all you really need unless you have a problem with lead fouling.

Things you'll get down the line:

- a pouch to carry your shooting gear in. Take your time and find something you really like. A fishing tackle box will suffice for getting it all out to a shooting bench on the range while you are looking.

- a separate pouch for the balls.

Things you DON'T need:

- a "flint wallet."

- a flint knapping tool. You can use the frizzen, the back of your knive or, if you get desperate, a dremel tool or diamond file.

Good luck, and welcome to a great new hobby.
 
AZ-Robert said:
Things you DON'T need:

- a "flint wallet."

- a flint knapping tool. You can use the frizzen, the back of your knive or, if you get desperate, a dremel tool or diamond file.

Very true. I learned both lessons the hard way! :rotf:

Very well thought out advice! Thanks.
 
I have to disagree about the flint wallet. You need to have a spare flint in your bag in the field. Flints fall out, they break when not expected, etc. You use a flint wallet to protect that edge from being knicked and broken by rattling around in your possibles bag. It also allows you to have a place for an extra flint wrap.

Can you live with out them, and just make do with what you have at the loading bench, or back at your car, or home when you are hunting? Sure, I guess so, but its a lousy way to ruin a day of hunting, to find when the light comes up that the flint that was so firmly clamped in the jaws of your cock when you took the gun out of its case at the car, is no where to be found when you are about 10 feet up a tree, sitting in a nice quiet seat, watching a beautiful deer walk within range. Even if the deer are not in sight, knowing that you are going to have to get down out of the tree and go back to your car to get a flint, and wrap and put it in the cock makes a pretty lousy day.
 
That is where you and I differ, with all due respect. I have absolutely no use for a patch box. Probably comes from being left handed, and shooting Right Handed guns, where the damn things rubs, and scratch the side of my neck and cheek! If I was very ****** off at right handed people, I would make up heavy caliber LH guns, with fancy brass patch boxes, and insist that RH shooters shoot my guns. Particular gun builders. Then, maybe they just might understand why I don't like patch boxes. But not you, of course. Mike. You know everything, and build the best guns. Even i have drooled over the pictures of your work. So don't take my comments personally.
 
I like a patchbox. I keep a ball, a flint, a ball puller screw, a "loaded" tow worm, a spare vent pick and wrap them all in cotton tick so they don't rattle. FOr those keeping trach that's also one shot, less the powder, so if I remember the rifle and the horn I can always fire it at least once or pull a dry ball. (You older shooters with CRS Diseade will appreciate that).

I have a flint wallet I made, buit that is in my haversack. I keep two flints in a little pocket sewn into my hunting bag - the only inner pocket in it.

I also use 3F for my main charge and prime. Simplifies life.

Black Englich flints. Tom Fuller is doing a fine job and they spark well.

What AZ-Robert said.

You don't need anything plastic, a seperate range or cleaning rod (sometimes nice, but not needed), a short starter or a pan brush.

If you think you need a short starter what you really need is a thinner patch or a different lube. :haha:

An adjustable measure is nice until you figure out your pet load, then a fixed bone or horn measure can be made (that will never accidently gets moved out of position).

Most of all you neede a good attitude. Flintlocks take time to master. Don't get frustrated if it seems to be hopeless. Check out the sticky: "Flintlosk Shooting Tips" in the flintlock section.
 
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