Officer's Fusil Again

[mastrsgt]

Just to let you know, my North Star West Officer's Fusil arrived today. DGW did an excellent job of packaging. It was wrapped in styrofoam and double boxed. To my untrained eye it looks good. Can't wait to shoot it.

Question time. I currently have Pyrodex ffg substitute I use in my GPR and Goex fffg I use in my 1851 Navy Colt. Can I use either of these in the 67 cal. musket or should I get Goex ffg.

DGW reccomends 60 grains ffg and a .65 bal. Does that sound good?

Don R

 

[Leonredbeard]

Don R,
You could put 15 grains of Goex in the bore first and then add 50 grains of Pyrodex on top of that just to get a few shots off. If the Goex covers your flash hole it will catch and set off the Pyro. I stress that the Goex must catch the fire from the pan. The pyro will not light except after a long delay, long enough that you may have the gonne down and pointed in an unsafe direction when it lights. Now this would just be if you must get off a few shots before you obtain the 2fg Goex. I don't recomend this duplex load as a regular thing. I know guys who use 3fg in the big bores, but I don't recommend it.
YHWH bless.
volatpluvia

 

[mastrsgt]

Thanks. I think I'll try and get some real ffg tommorrow.

Don R

 

[Swampman]

I'd use the Pyrodex to make my backyard green, and shoot only 3f GOEX in your musket and everything else you have. It's all I use. 70 grains of 3f GOEX should be perfect.

I can't believe people are still fooling around with 2f.

 

[Russianblood]

3f will work fine in it. Just an FYI, .67 cal uses 16 gauge wads. I have a Tower horse pistol in .67 cal and the Circle Fly 16 gauge overpowder cards fit great.

 

[paulvallandigham]

Don't use the Pyrodex in a flintlock gun. The duplex loads may fire, eventually, but they never seem to give much in the way of consistent accuracy. Try both FFg, and FFFg powders ( Black Powder), and see which you like. Borrow a chronograph to reduce the guess work on load development. This is a 16 ga shotgun for all purposes, so it should prove very effective at both clay targets, and as a hunting firearm. Glad it arrived.

 

[Tommy Bruce]

Don R repeat after me. "I will from this day foward dispose of my pyrodex which is all that is bad and evil, and use only goex or other quality black powder which is a sacred element of this earth." Now go forth and make lots of smoke and sulfer smell with your new fusil. :haha: :haha: By the way I use 3f as well in both my .62 smoothies with no problems. I usually stay between 70-80 grains and by using 3f I can also prime with it and forgo carrying another horn of 4f. Congratuations on getting a great gun.

 

[Teleoceras]

Swampman:

I'd use the Pyrodex to make my backyard green, and shoot only 3f GOEX in your musket and everything else you have. It's all I use. 70 grains of 3f GOEX should be perfect.

I can't believe people are still fooling around with 2f.

In my big bores (.577 and up), I use Fg. FFg is used from my .32 to .58 for the long barrel charcoal burners. The only .75's I use FFg is with my shorter barrel arms like my Handgonnes.

Why? Lower barrel pressure. Plus my .577 actually shoots more accurate with the Fg than the FFg.

Slowmatch Forever!
Teleoceras

 

[bpollock_sr]

I use a .650 ball with a greased .005 patch and get excellent results in my NSW early english.

 

[Mike Brooks]

I use a .650 ball with a greased .005 patch and get excellent results in my NSW early english.

Is that gun a 16 bore? I thought they were 20 bores...learne something new every day! :grin:

 

[kb466]

I believe I read somewhere that this "officer's fusil" was copied from an original in the Smithsonian. Does anyone know about the Smithsonian example--what it was and how closely the NSW fusil copies it?

 

[Mike Brooks]

I believe I read somewhere that this "officer's fusil" was copied from an original in the Smithsonian. Does anyone know about the Smithsonian example--what it was and how closely the NSW fusil copies it?

Well, I don't know. We're trying to figure out just what that gun is at the tail end of this thread. It's some what of a puzzler to me at the moment. :hmm:
Officer's fusil link
This may actually force me to finally buy Dewitt Bailey's book on british military guns. I probably should have bought it years ago anyway. :redface:

 

[mastrsgt]

Mike,

If you like details then Bailey's book is the one to have. He goes to great lengths to present specific measurements of all of the variuos patterns including wall pieces, carbines, sea service, pistols as well as land service. Lots of detailed pictures as well.

Don R

 

[Swampman]

NSW has the pictures of the original gun, and it follows the original gun very closely.

 

[Mike Brooks]

NSW has the pictures of the original gun, and it follows the original gun very closely.

I didn't see any pictures of the original on their web site. Could you post a link? I have no doubt they copied an original gun, and copied it quite well. I just don't believe they copied an "officers fusil" as there seems to never have been one issued by the britsh board of ordenance. If the original they copied this gun from truely is a gun commissioned by and carried by and officer, it must have been a very junior grade or very financially challenged fellow. It looks identicle to, and has exactly the same dimensions as, a royal artillery carbine , except for the funkadelic side plate they have on it.
I also lean towards a Sergents carbine, as it is very nearly the same as this gun except for the forward sling swivel is placed farther forward and pivots above the forward ram rod pipe. I don't believe these date untill after 1800, but I could be wrong as I don't have alot of in depth material on them.
Hey, I like the gun, I'm just wondering what it actually is is all. :hmm:

 

[bpollock_sr]

Yes it's a 16 bore. That's an op[tion that N W S offers on all their trade guns, but only in 36 inch barrel or shorter.

 

[Swampman]

I agree Mike. I don't think it's an "Officer's Musket." They have the pictures at the shop, but they aren't on the web anywhere as far as I know. My guess is that it was made up for someone (Sargent/Junior Grade Officer) coming to the New World by a private contractor. I understand this was pretty common. Some Officers even outfitted their own company with "Brown Bess" muskets that really weren't made to British Military Specs. I think it's a Rev. War era piece, and that's fine with me.

 

[Mike Brooks]

I agree Mike. I don't think it's an "Officer's Musket." They have the pictures at the shop, but they aren't on the web anywhere as far as I know. My guess is that it was made up for someone (Sargent/Junior Grade Officer) coming to the New World by a private contractor. I understand this was pretty common. Some Officers even outfitted their own company with "Brown Bess" muskets that really weren't made to British Military Specs. I think it's a Rev. War era piece, and that's fine with me.

Ok, that's cool, I though there were pictures somewhere that I was missing. You could very well be right on your estimation of what the gun actually is. Regardless, it's a nice gun. :thumbsup:

 

[Mike Brooks]

Yes it's a 16 bore. That's an op[tion that N W S offers on all their trade guns, but only in 36 inch barrel or shorter.

OK, gotcha! :thumbsup:

 

[Okwaho]

After a lot of looking and soul searching,I have come to the conclusion that this gun is a Curly Gostomski original conceived and "designed" by him and I think he created a really nice gun drawing on his many years of looking at these old guns.So call it a composite or fantasy, I think it was and still is uniquely Curly.I can just imagine him laughing about all the hullabaloo he started.
Tom Patton :v :hatsoff: