I have been reading forums for some time now and have really learned a lot. I do have a question, I am still trying to find a good lube. I have tried,bore butter,spit,crisco and quite a few others but cant see any real difference in any of them. I have noticed that clean up seems to be easier with crisco? I have only shot around 150 rounds so I think maybe just more shooting will help. Ill us any excuse to go shoot more.