How deep is the rifling on the penn rifle or the frontier in 45.Sould Give me some ideer about how thick a patch i will need for a 440 ball.Im kinda torn up between these rifles,more tore up that i aint got all the money yet but im getten there slowley ::
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Hey Bucknife, welcome the camp.
I have a Pedersoli Frontier in .50cal. and like it alot. I have shot all my life but new to all this BP stuff, been doin it a couple of years and have learned 90% of what I know from these guys at this forum. A truly HUGE amount of information here that has taken them a lifetime to learn. Listen to these guys.
In answer to your questions, read seasoning barrels in the Flintlock forum. Somewhere, I can't now put my hands on the source, I think the land-to-groove measurment is .006".
When I got my rifle, I had already planned on shooting at least 500 rounds through it to so the barrel had a chance to settle down. As I got closer to the 500 end of the shooting there were much less flyers compared to the new barrel.
I myself am alittle apprehensive about using scotch brite pads in a barrel, shooting 500 rounds is much more fun.
I clean the barrel by first swabing out with patches soaked in solvent(windex, soapy water, try some and pick your favorite,) then very hot soapy water( the hotest tap water, 120F is good enough,) and a newish metal bore brush about a dozen strokes at least. Then, while the barrel is still nice and hot, run some dry patches up and down to dry it out and finaly I coat the inside with some heavy weight machine oil. While the barrel is cooling off, I disassemble the rest of the rifle, clean and reassemble. Before shooting the rifle again, the barrel is swabed dry of oil then off to the woods.
The little book you get with your rifle will tell you how to work up powder and patch combinations. Ask at this forum for the best answers.
Hope this helps, Allan
I have a Pedersoli Frontier in .50cal. and like it alot. I have shot all my life but new to all this BP stuff, been doin it a couple of years and have learned 90% of what I know from these guys at this forum. A truly HUGE amount of information here that has taken them a lifetime to learn. Listen to these guys.
In answer to your questions, read seasoning barrels in the Flintlock forum. Somewhere, I can't now put my hands on the source, I think the land-to-groove measurment is .006".
When I got my rifle, I had already planned on shooting at least 500 rounds through it to so the barrel had a chance to settle down. As I got closer to the 500 end of the shooting there were much less flyers compared to the new barrel.
I myself am alittle apprehensive about using scotch brite pads in a barrel, shooting 500 rounds is much more fun.
I clean the barrel by first swabing out with patches soaked in solvent(windex, soapy water, try some and pick your favorite,) then very hot soapy water( the hotest tap water, 120F is good enough,) and a newish metal bore brush about a dozen strokes at least. Then, while the barrel is still nice and hot, run some dry patches up and down to dry it out and finaly I coat the inside with some heavy weight machine oil. While the barrel is cooling off, I disassemble the rest of the rifle, clean and reassemble. Before shooting the rifle again, the barrel is swabed dry of oil then off to the woods.
The little book you get with your rifle will tell you how to work up powder and patch combinations. Ask at this forum for the best answers.
Hope this helps, Allan
Buckknife: For what it is worth, the Dixie Gun Works catalog suggests for the Pedersoli Pa. Rifle in .45 cal. that you use 60 gr. FFFg with a .440 round ball, and a .015 patch. For the Pedersoli Frontier Rifle in .50 cal., it suggests 70 gr. FFg with a .490 round ball, and the same .015 patch.
I am currently putting together a Pedersoli kit of their Scout Carbine in .45 cal. The rifle will be for my grandson when he is ready to join his Dad and me in a couple of years chasing Pennsylvania whitetails. I've changed the look of the rifle a bit by filing the blued barrel down to white metal and browning it, putting on more traditional sights, filing a chevron on the nose cap, carving the stock a bit, and adding a patch box. It has been a great retirement project, and I can't wait until I have it ready for the boy to shoot and become the third generation of flintlock shooters in the family.
I am currently putting together a Pedersoli kit of their Scout Carbine in .45 cal. The rifle will be for my grandson when he is ready to join his Dad and me in a couple of years chasing Pennsylvania whitetails. I've changed the look of the rifle a bit by filing the blued barrel down to white metal and browning it, putting on more traditional sights, filing a chevron on the nose cap, carving the stock a bit, and adding a patch box. It has been a great retirement project, and I can't wait until I have it ready for the boy to shoot and become the third generation of flintlock shooters in the family.
Although knowing the depth of the rifling is good to know, it isn't the only thing that determines the patch thickness.
Because it is cloth, the material will compress and imbed itself in the outside of the ball during loading. It also has to compress against the bottom of the rifleing grooves. (They used to be called furrows, just like in plowing a field. Bet a lot of people didn't know that).
As everyone who has shot a .22 knows, three guns made on the same day in the same factory will want 3 different brands/weights of cartridges to do their best.
The same holds true for Black Powder only more so.
Start off using the recommended ball size/patch thickness/load weight/granulation of powder and learn from there. The only way to do this is to take some time off from your day to day drudgery and have fun shooting.
Keep a written record (sounds like work) of the load combination and the group size. You soon will see what affects the accuracy and be able to figure out where the best loads are for target and hunting with YOUR gun.
Have Fun!
Because it is cloth, the material will compress and imbed itself in the outside of the ball during loading. It also has to compress against the bottom of the rifleing grooves. (They used to be called furrows, just like in plowing a field. Bet a lot of people didn't know that).
As everyone who has shot a .22 knows, three guns made on the same day in the same factory will want 3 different brands/weights of cartridges to do their best.
The same holds true for Black Powder only more so.
Start off using the recommended ball size/patch thickness/load weight/granulation of powder and learn from there. The only way to do this is to take some time off from your day to day drudgery and have fun shooting.
Keep a written record (sounds like work) of the load combination and the group size. You soon will see what affects the accuracy and be able to figure out where the best loads are for target and hunting with YOUR gun.
Have Fun!
Buckknife: That is good advice from Zonie. I would add that using the 6 bull targets available from the NMLRA through their "Muzzle Blast" magazine, makes the enjoyable task of finding the best; powder charge, ball size, patch thickness, and lube combination, an exercise in pure BP shootin' heaven. You don't need to be hanging a new target after every 3 to 5 shot group, and studying the final results is right there in front of you. Make a small replica of the target for the shooter's bench that allows you to write the essential info. under each target grouping as you progress. Be sure to also clean well between each grouping. Best wishes makin' smoke. It doesn't get any better than this! The smokeless boys just don't get it! :winking:
thanks for the feed back fellers.6 deep eh.That gives me a good idea with about what thicknesss of patch to start with.
The perdersoli fund almost wuz spent today,darn little 32crocket rifle caught my eye but i fought off the temtation.All though it was one nice rifle for a caplock,kinda reminded me of a thinner version of a gpr.But im still saven up and holden out for a 45 flinter
The perdersoli fund almost wuz spent today,darn little 32crocket rifle caught my eye but i fought off the temtation.All though it was one nice rifle for a caplock,kinda reminded me of a thinner version of a gpr.But im still saven up and holden out for a 45 flinter
