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CoyoteJoe

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I've noticed that most smoothbore shooters on this forum are talking flintlock, any reference to "fowler" is almost a given that it's flint.
I'm interested in a half-stock PERCUSSION fowler and am wondering if percussion is even allowed in most smoothbore matches. Any feedback will be appreciated. :grin:
 
Don't know about the match rules, but I have a couple of 14 ga. originals for sale, if you're interested.
 
I had a T/C renegade in .56 smoothbore that I removed the rear sight and filed the front sight down into a half circle shape. I asked if I could use it for the trade gun match at my ML gun club. I believe the consensus is with no rear sight and smoothbore, it did qualify. It would not if the rear sight was still present.
 
First, Join the NMLRA< and a get a copy of their rule book. It will tell you what is acceptable in Smoothbore events. I don't recall there being a restriction against Percussion guns, although at some matches, they may shoot in their own category. The other restrictions will often restrict or prohibit the use of plastic wads to hold the shot, to regulate the size of shot used on a given match course, and sometimes, now, I see restrictions on even using synthetic wads for overpowder or cushion wads. Some clubs don't like the clean up required by using something that is not biodegrable, since they function with volunteer labor just to keep their doors open.

Most Fowlers are going to be flintlocks, just because that is the period of time when they were in the hay-day of popularity on the frontier along the Eastern Coast. Single Percussion shotguns came into being in the 1830 and 40s, as they could be assembled fairly cheaply, compared to double barrel guns, and could be used for hunting and self defense. Because the bores were large, the round ball they shot was heavy and could give good performance against man or beast at 75 yds and under. They were good working guns, usually without the frills and carvings found on more expensive shotguns.
 
Thanks Paul, what you describe is pretty much what I had in mind to build, a plain vanilla half-stock with hooked breech for easy cleaning and probably in 12ga. percussion, 32-36" barrel. Don't need any rear sight as I can't see tha danged things anyhoo!
 
JOe: REar sights are for looking through, not AT! If you think of an open sight as a peep sight without a top, you will use it much better. The eye is able to center itself in the notch of an open rear sight, provided it is wide enough to allow goodly amounts of daylight on both sides of the front sight. Of a fowler, I like a low wide notch, more of a hint of a rear sight, than much of a formal sight. The wings don't have to stick up at all. This kind of rear sight will help with windage problems; how you deal with verticle stringing depends on how you hold and shoot that front sight, no matter how wide or narrow it is.
 
Ive wondered about how many smooth perc was around , I shoot 2 20/62 32" and 38" in my H+A underhammers dont know about rules but when it comes to shooting fun they are the first rifle I grab. :grin: Great on hogs,with a 600 ball , and just fun shooting #3 +4 buck. Fred :hatsoff:
 
With black powder getting harder to acquire locally, I have been considering that exact type of gun as my next one.... probably a percussion Tulle. Sure ...I can order BP thru the mail, but it gets expensive buying lots of powder for yourself and no one locally to split the cost with. If it gets to the point where I can't get BP (like the only supplier within 100 miles of me was out) then I could easily take advantage of the substitute BP's like Pyrodex which is sold everywhere in a percussion smoothbore. although my flinter is a historically accurate .54 smoothrifle, a percussion smoothbore in my arsenal would make my game getting ability just that much more versatile. I'd probably lean toward a .62/20 gauge as the best all around caliber for ball and shot.
Ohio Rusty
 
We have the same problem here in Calgary and that is why I have percussion guns. Most of the shooters here use (spit) inlines and the major gun store only stocks BP substitutes although I am trying to convince the smaller, independant store to stock black powder but the source of supply and shipping are the issues.

I have a Mowry 12 gauge smoothbore as a back up to my flintlock fowler. I also have a couple of
T/C percussion rifles to back up my flintlock rifles.

AB
 
The CVA Trapper is just such a gun. It is a very light 12 guage that came in several versions. There is a heavy barrel version called the Gobbler that I am not sure what the choke was. There is the version I have that has a light barrel and screw in chokes with a 50 caliber 1-48 barrel to fit the same stock. I think TC's version was called the New Englander.
Since I have the thin barrel screw in choke tube model, I am not supposed to shoot roundball out of mine. I have to swap to the rifled barrel for roundball. There was one version that you could.
I have seen several long barrel fowler type guns that have back action caplocks on them.
 
Runner- I'm interested in what you have with the interchangeable chokes, isn't there an open or no choke tube available or even a rifled tube for PRB or slugs? One of these is gonna be my next Muzzler acquisition, likely a cap-lock.
Thanks for any info. :hmm:
 
The screw in chokes model I have is not the gun you want if you are looking for a ball or slug gun. It comes in at under 5 pounds. A 90-120 load for turkey will rock your world. It came new with three screw in choke tubes. F, M, I. I don't know of any after market tubes that will fit it. Lyman makes slug mold that isdesignedto be fired out of a standard 12 guage trap wad that could be used with light loads I guess. CVA says NO. I always figured that sooner or later I would have a 20 guage barrel made for it in cylinder bore if I wanted to shoot ball with it. It is octagon to round with a pretty short octagon area to keep weight down. A 20 barrel to fit this frame would be much heavier helping with the recoil. The 50 barrel is 1-48 with deep groove rifling. So far I have not found a roundball load it likes very well. It loves the Lee Target Minnie over 90 grains of 2f. It is my long range barrel these days.
The choked barrel patterns very well with a thick over powder card and a 3-4 load of 4's to 7.5's. This one was taken at a touch over 40 yards.

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Here are a couple of pix. I have more if you would like to see them. shoot me an email and I'll get 'em to you.
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scattershot is that back lock gun a full oct. barrel ? I have one that is, only markings on it is the # 12 on all the parts ,it's a 50 cal smoothbore. the barrel is tappered from 1 1/8" to 7/8", 36" long it's heavy and accurate with a ball.
 
Hawk, it's an octagon to round barrel. It's 36 inches long, and very slender and graceful. The wole gun is probably 5 pounds, total. This one's a 14 gauge.
 
Runner, Get a cylinder bore choke tube or cut the choke out of a choke tube and you could shoot PRBs
in your smoothie.
 
Scattershot, nice looking guns, both of them. :v
ARILAR :grin: :thumbsup:
 
No choke tubes available that I know of. I guess I could chuck up a tube and bore the taper out. Hardest part would be boring and threading a reciever to do the work in. I only have a three jaw chuck so far. Those threads are pretty fine also. This season is two days away, so maybe next year.
 
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