Pistol bullet mould suitable as a minie?

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Jarikeen

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It appears that Lee do not make a minie mould for muzzle loaders in a .40Cal. However they do make some moulds for a .40 cal pistol that look similiar. Are these moulds suitable to use as a minie and do they have a skirt? I wish to experiment with paper patching.
 
I had the same idea! But I wanted a bullet for a .32 cal Crockett rifle. I had a .32 pistol bullet mold so I made some up...it is a solid base not a minne...But it shoots great ! I was getting 1 1/2" 5 shot groups at 100 yds!
I couldnt do that with a patches ball....
I dont know if you can get a .40 cal bullet with a skirt....maybe somebody else will know. I do know you will have to have a faster twist than 1:66.....You will need at least 1:48 or faster twist...
 
A Minie ball, by definition, has a hollow base. I am not aware of any .40 caliber pistol bullets with hollow bases, but as mentioned in the other reply a regular conical bullet may work if you have a suitable rifling depth & twist. Generally rifling designed for RBs is quite deep, compared to bullet barrels, which makes it hard for the bullet to obturate enough to fill the grooves. Also a twist rate of 1:48" or faster would be preferable. If you wish to give them a try there are some things that you will need to do to get the best results. Firstly slug your barrel & find your BORE & GROOVE diameters, cast the bullets from soft lead, & size them so they are about .001" under BORE size (it should be a slip fit in the barrel). Also, you will most likely get best results using an over-powder wad of some sort.....I use a felt wad, but a card or vege fibre wad may work best for you.
 
scalper said:
I wanted a bullet for a .32 cal Crockett rifle. I had a .32 pistol bullet mold so I made some up...it is a solid base not a minne...But it shoots great ! I was getting 1 1/2" 5 shot groups at 100 yds!

I'm curious as to what .32 bullet you used? It would have to be a .321 mould, but the only .321 bullets I am aware of are 32-40 bullets weighing 170 gr. That's a pretty heavy bullet for a .32 ML rifle.

IS there a light .321 bullet I'm not aware of, or did you paper patch a .311 bullet?

I considered trying .32 hollow base wad cutter bullets, but had to buy 250 or more to get 'em and didn't want to spend that much just to experiment.
Thanks,
J.D.
 
Check out lyman molds in .318, 323, etc. for the 32-20, 32-40, 32 Win. Spl.,and 8mm mauser. I believe that there is a good mold for a 125 grain to 130 grain bullet that Lyman used to make molds for , #32115, that came in three different weights. They may no longer offer it, but there is a dealer that is at Friendship every Year who has hundreds of Lyman mold blocks for sale, and guys like him are likely to either have it, or know where you can get it. This is a rounded ogive, flat nose bullet designed for target shooting. There is a Gas Check offering in 134 grains that is round nose, #321427, and a lighter offering in 115 grains, 32359 tht has a flat meplat, and rounded ogive. Don't hesitate to contact NEI, or Rapine about their offerings. Sometimes they offer molds for bullets that Lyman has dropped from their line. With the interest in CAS, there are a number of calibers, and bullets that have reappeared on the market.

If you are looking for 100 or less of the bullets to try in your gun, advertise that fact and see if there isn't some member of the NMLRA who has the mold and will be willing to mold you some, size and lube them for you and sell them to you. He might be willing to part with the mold, if you find the bullet is what you want.
 
This might work for you. [url] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.41_Long_Colt[/url]

OD is .386
"made with a large hollow base, like Civil War Minié balls."


Tinker2
 
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I did something just the reverse of what you intend, used the Lee .45 REAL slug in my ROA. shoots great, loads easy.
 
I've been told that a .32 slug has about the same energy as a .45 RB.
The 40 S&W, at 175 grains (LEE has a mould) might be the go, although the link to the 40LC has me thinking and I believe Lyman has the mould.
Whilst there are long range 40 slugs available (316-160 grains), it would require a very fast twist. Thanks to the formula Paul..... gave, the rifling bands need to be about 1/2" long to suit my ROT.
 
If you are looking for .40 Caliber bullets, don't forget looking at the .41 offerings. They can be easily sized down. You can find .41 caliber lead cast bullets in a wider range of weights and styles. Weight begin about 150 grain, but standards are in the 210 gr. weight, and the heaviest are long bullets that weigh upwards of 280 grains.

Again, any cast bullet can be sized down a few thousandths of an inch. There really is no good reason for there to be a .40 S&W cartridge. Before it came into being, duplicating exactly the ballistics of the old .38-40 cartridge, but in a smaller, straight walled casing, we had both the rimmed .41 Magnum cartridge, and the Israeli born, .41 A&E, which came with a rebated rim that could be married to a 9mm bolt and ejector in a semi auto pistol. The S&W cartridge was simply a shortened version of the 10 mm cartridge that Col. Jeff Cooper pushed, in hopes of finding a Millimeter marked " Magnum " pistol cartridge that both police and military would adopt. The Colonel had been seduced into the European MM system with visits to the Continent as he tried to get his idea for the perfect pistol and subsequent rifle cartridges made.If we really wanted an improved .38-40 cartidge for a pistol, the .41 A&E would have done just fine. If we wanted a good cartridge that worked in the 1000fps range in .41, all we had to do was shorten the .41 Magnum casing to the same length as the .38 Spl., and .44 spl. casings, and come out with a commercial .41 spl. cartridge. For speed loading DA revolvers, the .41 A&E round with its 9mm rim, would have made it easy to produce a full moon clip to facilitate loading and unloading. The .41 would do in medium framed revolvers, and pistols, what the .44 spl, and the .45 ACP do in the larger framed revolvers and pistols.

For the purpose of having a conical bullet that can be shot in a .40 caliber barrel with a fast twist, You can find molds that cast a 265 grain round nose bullet that will work fine in a barrel with a ROT of about 1:22. Its been done.
 
Thankyou always for the incredible amount of time and information you put into your answers. The barrel is a 1:48, so the formula you gave works out at around 1/2" for the rifling bands (assuming I worked the maths correctly.)

I shoot PRB and shoot it well (so I think lol.) I thoughly enjoy the rondy scene.

Just wanted to do some experimenting with some different ideas.

Will look at the .41 offerings. Will let you know how I go.

Cheers
 
A number of molds are available in hollow-base form, though not as many as some years ago. The one Tinker 2 referrenced is probably a good size. Be sure to contact the maker, sometimes they can tell you the actual diameter of the "as cast" bullet.
 

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