Please Help I.D. This Rifle

[CZMark]

I'm posting this for a friend who is not very computer savvy. Any help with I.D. and possible value is appreciated.

Thanks.

The barrel is about 29" long and about 69 caliber. I forgot to measure the barrel width, but it seems small for such a large caliber. Also, the rifling (by eyeball) seems to be a fairly fast twist.

 

[slowpokebr549]

Jeagerish, big round,fast twist,short length.Hmmm...better send it to me for a couple of years study. Then I will get back to you with an answer. Nice rifle.

 

[CoyoteJoe]

That sure is a beauty! I'd guess British but I'm just guessing.

 

[tg]

it might be a British knock off of a Germanic gun, is the cheek piece bold or diminished to a degree, sometimes the Brits were conservative with the cheekpiece if they used one at all.
It looks like one of those rare originals that was made without a liner :rotf:

 

[CZMark]

I didn't notice there was no picture of that area. There is no raised cheekpiece.

 

[silverfox]

Where ever it came from I like it. Nice looking rifle.
Fox :thumbsup:

 

[Stophel]

19th c. German/Swiss rifle. Made with a musket lock. COULD be a Swiss military/militia rifle, though generally, they have bayonet lugs.

I'd dare say that the box lid is a modern replacement (there's no latch!).

 

[Swampman]

I believe the lock is a M1777 French military musket lock

 

[CZMark]

I'd dare say that the box lid is a modern replacement (there's no latch!).

That was one of the first things I noticed when I saw the rifle--the wood and finish of the lid seem to be in better condition than the rest of the stock.

I was thinking the rifle was possibly German, more likely British--I never considered Swiss.

Thanks

 

[CZMark]

I believe the lock is a M1777 French military musket lock

I checked some online pictures--good call.

 

[pichou]

The butt plate screws are replacements too. :v

 

[CZMark]

Here are two more pictures, I don't know if they will be of any help. Does anyone have a guess (and I realize that is what it would be) as to the value of theis rifle?

 

[Swampman]

My guess is that it's European, & made in the 19th c. of salvaged parts.

 

[Mike Brooks]

I'm with Stophel, it's Swiss.

 

[jdixon]

Nice antique piece. Lookin' at that flash hole, that has gotta be the biggest one I have ever seen - good example of why liners were invented.

 

[CZMark]

Thanks to all for the replies.

Does anyone know where I can get more information about Swiss-made muzzleloaders?

 

[dyemaker]

I don't know but it may be a British Baker rifle. These replaced the Brown Bess and were copied from a Germanic Jaeger rifle. They had very slow twist rates however. Second thought is a Brunswick rifle which replaced the Baker rifles. They used belted projectiles. Could also be Scandanavian.

 

[mmahlock]

Don't want to burst your bubble dyemaker but the only thing that even looks like it came off a Baker is the rear sight and I'm not really convinced of that (they used several versions) The butt plate maybe before it was notched for the patch box. :v

 

[missionary5155]

Good morning This stye reminds me of the shorter barreled stalking rifles I saw in the arms museums in West Germany 72-74. But the mixture of parts sure "muddies the waters"..
I would not mind trudging about the woods or swamps with a short barreled 69.. not many critters you would have to worry about. :thumbsup:
Mike in Peru God Bless ya´ll

 

[Dphar]

I'm with Stophel, it's Swiss.

Same opinion.

Dan