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I am new to shooting flintlocks and I have read that you should plug the touch hole with a feather or something similar when loading. This is supposed to create a channel or a void for a positive ignition. Can someone confirm or deny this technique.
 
largely a matter of technique, but i've used a small feather to good result. (having said that, i will freely confess that (a) i'm not that good a shot, and (b) the rifle fired OK without the feather, but a little better with.)

give both methods a try and see which one works for you.

good luck, make smoke

msw
 
I do not plug while loading, I have been working on loads that do not require cleaning between shots and with that in mind I like the vent open to allow the passage of air as I load. I do pick the vent in the process leading up to the priming though.
 
buells1 said:
I am new to shooting flintlocks and I have read that you should plug the touch hole with a feather or something similar when loading. This is supposed to create a channel or a void for a positive ignition. Can someone confirm or deny this technique.

Maybe that's just a personal choice some have, or maybe it helps some tempermental Flintlocks work better, etc...me personally, I've never bothered with anything like that
 
We had a gun here for a while with a huge touch hole.. if you didn't plug it, you would prime the pan too :haha: made for very inconsistant loads and shooting. Plug the hole stopped all that and the gun was very accurate. We were just too lazy to change out the liner.

Now I will say if we couldn't have gotten it to shoot well we would have put a liner in it :grin:
 
...tried it both ways...no difference...try it yourself...no harm trying :wink: :wink: :wink:
 
The problem comes when using FFFg powder in a gun that has a large touch hole. If you are using FFg powder, there is usually no problem, until your touchhole is 5/64th " or larger in diameter. But FFFg powder will come through a vent hole that is that size, or even 1/16" sometimes.

Measure the diameter of your vent hole with graduated drill sizes. There is a drill chart under Member resources at the top of the index to this forum, I think, but every hardware store has such a chart to guide you in selecting the proper sized drill, particularly when you are intending to thread a hole, and need the tap drill sizing. You can get this off the internet, too, of course.

I don't bother with the feather in the vent when loading. I always use a vent pick that fits through the vent, and has a flat side to the " point" of the pick so that I can move powder around in the barrel AFTER Loading, leaving an open area to allow the HEAT from the burning priming powder in the flash pan the opportunity to ignite more than one granule of powder in the barrel. When the powder charge is loaded without a hole for the flash HEAT, ignition is delayed. You can learn to shoot fairly well with the delay, but you shoot a lot better, particularly off-hand, when you get the powder burning faster in the barrel. That is the reason for opening the hole in the powder.

But, the " experts" above have spoken, so do what you wish. I started out shooting a flintlock without picking the main charge, and the gun does go off. I even hit the target more times than not. But, once a more experienced flintlock shooter showed me the advantage of, and consistency of speed of ignition that happens after making that hole in the powder, I use my vent pick every shot. I pick the vent before I prime the pan, if you need to know the order in which this is done.

Oh, flintlocks ignite the powder charge faster if you don't compress the powder when you load the projectile down on it. Just load to a mark that indicates when the PRB touches the powder, and don't compress it. This is the opposite of what produces the best consistency in a Percussion ignition gun.

If you or someone else thinks I am wrong, get a chronograph, and do proper experiments, changing only one factor at a time. I really don't want to argue with anyone about this stuff. It is what it is. There are people here who refuse to do proper testing, and come back saying things like, " I see no difference", their planned result. They are offended when anyone disagrees with them, or finds different results. They abhor using a chronograph, because it tells them things about their loads and shooting techniques they don't want to know. It takes all kinds. :youcrazy: :surrender: :thumbsup:
 
I don't think so. Has any of those " experts " suggested that the issue be tested by the shooter himself? I did my own testing, then asked others I know to test the same thing to see if I was doing something " different " or " wrong ", and to see if they got the same results. I am the only person who has responded here who has suggested that the issue can be resolved by using a chronograph to test this matter. I don't claim to be an " expert ", whose word is " GOD-given". But when I have tested something out that I find works for me, I don't hesitate to suggest it to new shooters, along with my caveat that they need to test this themselves, to avoid being confused by all the " experts".

Very little of the knowledge I have acquired about Flintlocks has occurred by accident, or self discovery. I have always listened to more experienced shooters than me, considered their advice, together with other shooter comments on the same subject, and then constructed a test to determine which is correct. When I can remember the name of the person who told me the correct way, I try to give that name, and give that shooter the credit. Sometimes I can remember a face, but no longer remember the name. Sometimes, too much time has passed, and I can't remember the name or the face. That frustrates me.

The fact that someone thinks otherwise doesn't bother me in the least. What would be the point of a forum if there were no divergence in opinions? :thumbsup:
 
Black Hand said:
paulvallandigham said:
....But, the " experts" above have spoken....
Pot calling the kettle black....?

:shake: it never ends does it :rotf:

OK, here's a simple summary:

1) I've used Goex 3F in my Flintlocks for years and it is outstanding;

2) Their vent liners all have huge .070" holes in them, which are barely an eyelash smaller than 5/64";

3) I never stick foreign objects in the vent holes while loading;

4) They are all very accurate and consistent;

5) My chronograph results are excellent.

These are just the simple facts of life that come from actual hands on experience, not arm chair theories. Conversely, if it was an across the board requirement to stick a foreign object into a vent hole while loading to achieve the above results, it would be commonplace, routine...everybody would be doing it.

:thumbsup:
 
paulvallandigham said:
They abhor using a chronograph, because it tells them things about their loads and shooting techniques they don't want to know. It takes all kinds. :youcrazy: :surrender: :thumbsup:


Just don't own one :haha: :v Figure if I am not making one hole group, or getting consistant accuracy at 50yds something is wrong. If I am doing just that, then I'm not worried. :grin:
 
Roy said:
paulvallandigham said:
They abhor using a chronograph, because it tells them things about their loads and shooting techniques they don't want to know. It takes all kinds. :youcrazy: :surrender: :thumbsup:

Just don't own one :haha: :v Figure if I am not making one hole group, or getting consistant accuracy at 50yds something is wrong. If I am doing just that, then I'm not worried. :grin:

Plus, he's wrong again...and my chronograph results are excellent.
:grin:
 
I don't plug the touch hole when loading. The hole should be smaller than the powder granulation so none should get in there to plug it.
Just :2

HD
 
I should have added normally I do not plug the touch hole... but on that one gun it was a must :thumbsup:
 
The way I see it, I am concerned about a few things:
1- Does the gun go off when I squeeze the trigger?,
2- Does the bullet go where I aim it?
3- If yes to 1&2, does it kill game to feed me and my family and friends?

I don't care what YOU do to achieve the above (plug the touch hole, compress/not compress the powder, do your magic loading dance, scream and yell that your way is better/easier/faster). I do what works for me, and if I have a problem then I go looking for a solution. I can't see doing something for the sake of doing it if it doesn't confer any advantage to me.....

However, I do take exception when someone posts an "opinion" that is put forth as "gospel". I would rather see the opinion prefaced with "this is what works for me", not "do this".....
 
I don't plug the vent while I load. I figure the air underneath the ball needs to get out somewhere or loading is going to be harder. I do pick the vent before I prime though. I used to have the occasional hangfire until I started doing this. I think this probably serves the same purpose of making a channel in the charge for the flash to enter.
 
Amen Brotha, :v

My post above is as you describe, its what works for me.

This past weekend I shot a 23 shot trail with nary a hiccup, my ball patch combo is such that it does not require a swab patch between shots. This is the second month that I have used this combination on a lengthly trail without swabbing between shots, and am gearing up for an away shoot this coming weekend and will try it again. :hmm:

When time permits I will put it across my chronograph and see what the numbers are telling me. :wink:
 
I do like Plink. I don't plug the vent when loading. This gun seems to shoot well with out picking and fires 99.5 percent of the time.
Then one day I got a handmade pick and could feel the pick enter the powder charge and make a cavity. The shots seem to be faster and so far no flash in the pan. I will continued to do this with this perticular gun as it seems to work with it. Another gun and we start all over again.
Fox :thumbsup:
 
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