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vonfilm

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I am planning on a Hopkins & Allen style Rifle to be be built by John Taylor using one of his actions. It is to be a .32 with a Green Mountain 13/16" barrel. The barrel starts out at 42". What would be the best barrel length for the best compromise of balance, velocity, tradition, etc.?

Should I have it built with a musket cap nipple?
 
What are you going to shoot with that .32 rifle? It important to know in order to give you some advice.

If you want to shoot a Chunk Gun match at 60 yds, stick with the 42" barrel.

If you are shooting squirrels, you don't need that long a barrel for shots well under 50 yds.

The long barrel basically gives you a longer SIGHT RADIUS, which helps shoot the gun more accurately, over distance. The longer barrel is Not Necessarily any more accurate than a shorter barrel. :hmm:
 
I would use the rifle mostly for informal target shooting,occasionally for small game hunting and matches at my club. I am new to this and am not familiar with what matches they shoot with black powder.

I am 52 years old and wear bifocals. I am also wondering what sights I should get. I would probably shoot the best with aperture in the rear and globe in the front, but I don't know how appropriate that would be.
 
You should discuss The details, and use, of your rifle with John. Based on his experience he can probably guide you in the right direction.
Mark
 
Ghettogun has a point. Mine is 33" but is a .45. A .32 really needs to be a bit shorter to handle well in the woods.
 
Discuss your options with John Taylor, as he is very knwoledgeable. But, I think from what you are describing, a 32-33 inch barrel will be about perfect. Most modern gun shooters only handle a 30 inch barrel on a Shotgun, and then only if they are Trap Shooters. Barrels longer than that are just a mystery.

With BP shooting, using iron sights, even if you choose a peep sight, because of your eye sight restrictions, the long Sight Radius comes in very handy. However, you also need to carry the gun, so weight becomes a factor, and you have to lift the gun up to your shoulder, and hold it there for off-hand shots. Balance is critical.

I do not currently own a gun with a barrel that small in diameter, but I once owned a small barreled .45 caliber that was only 25 inches long. It shot fine, but if there was any kind of cross wind, it was hard to hold on the target. I would have appreciated more weight out there in front of my forehand. Adding another 7-8 inches to what I had then would have made a great bit of difference to the balance, and handling characteristics of a small bore rifle, IMHO. I have handled small caliber rifles that others own, and with that small bore, the barrel will have plenty of weight on it, to give you some "Muzzle hang" for off-hand shooting. However, I would not overdo the length. Its not needed for such a small caliber gun. Your powder charges will run from 15-30 grains of 3Fg, and even with what seems like a fairly small amount of powder, that ball will leave that muzzle with plenty of zip.

The restrictions on using a .32 cal. MLer for hunting come from the fact that the RB is so light in weight, and the Ballistics Coefficient for the .32 simply won't let the RB buck any wind over much distance. For most hunting, these are 25 yd. guns. On calm days, I have seen .32 shooters take the center out of 100 yd. targets, shooting off a rest. Regardless of caliber, Iron sights( open) and the terrible Ballistics Coefficient for Round Balls limits most MLing rifle shooters to 100 yards or less for most shots at game in the field. The larger caliber balls are more than capable of killing many times farther than 100 yds., but the problems of accurately estimating range, and the steep trajectory you deal with as the yardage increases makes it more difficult to hit targets accurately at longer distances. I watched my Brother, shooting a new rifle, in .45 caliber, hit a bang plate target at 130 yards at a club, many years ago, now, and he missed the target twice by holding up too much front sight- shooting over the plate. The plate was about 16 inches in diameter, suspended from chains so that it swung back and forth when hit. His third shot finally hit it about 4 inches below the top, for a satisfying "bong". Because of its size, he thought the plate was further away, and held more front sight up than was needed. That is the kind of problem that range estimation causes for any iron sight shooter.

Have fun with that underhammer. I know you will like it, and you will find its a very accurate rifle. :hmm: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :hatsoff:
 
Have you tried loading a .32 cal?
Handling that little ramrod is difficult. And the ball can really drift.
Also a .32 cal. barrel, that is 3/4" can be quite muzzle heavy.
Hate to put a fly in the oingtment, but those are conditions you may wish to consider, before you have somebody build you a rifle.
I ask these questions, because, I am presently building a .32 long rifle, and it is quite muzzle heavy, and the ramrod shure is small and fragile.
I am sorry I went to the trouble to put the parts together, should have been a .40 cal.
My two underhammers are .40, and .45.
The .40 also has several other barrels that interchange, and range from .40 cal. to .58 cal.
Old Ford
 
Just my thoughts.

I would have it 20 to 28” for what you propose to do with it, If it were
mine. I have a 20” .36 underhammer for the same use. .32 are fun.

I also have some very short underhammers. One [.45 caliber takedown ]
fits completely under the seat of my Vino motor scooter. Works for me.

“I am 52 years old and wear bifocals.”

I wear trifocals, it is one reason I like shorter barrel guns. I get my glasses
with one of the trifocals so that the front sight on my handguns
are Crystal clear at my arms length, that translates to a rifles front sight
up to around 20 to 36” from my eye. That’s not barrel length. It is the
distance from my eye to the back of the front sight.

I hope I said that right, It works well for me.


Good luck and post pictures when you get it.

:)
Tinker2
William Alexander
 
vonfilm said:
I am planning on a Hopkins & Allen style Rifle to be be built by John Taylor using one of his actions. It is to be a .32 with a Green Mountain 13/16" barrel. The barrel starts out at 42". What would be the best barrel length for the best compromise of balance, velocity, tradition, etc.?

Should I have it built with a musket cap nipple?

I personally would go with no shorter than a 32" barrel length. Short barrels in front stuffers bothers me. However, unless you are set on .32 cal, I would consider a .36 or a .40 which would make the rifle lighter. There are an awful lot of target shooters that use a .40.

I would go with a standard #11 nipple. I prefer RWS 1075 caps over Remington or CCI. No need to have the fire power of a musket cap. Actually, a musket cap is too hot for a small caliber rifle. Musket caps are more expensive too.
 
I have a regular long rifle in .32, with a swamped barrel, and it balances right in front of the rear sight.
At 63, that doesn't bother this old man stumbling around the woods. :thumbsup:
 
vonfilm said:
I am planning on a Hopkins & Allen style Rifle to be be built by John Taylor using one of his actions. It is to be a .32 with a Green Mountain 13/16" barrel. The barrel starts out at 42". What would be the best barrel length for the best compromise of balance, velocity, tradition, etc.?

Should I have it built with a musket cap nipple?

This is all personal choice except the musket cap thing which is unnecessary and may even hurt accuracy unless you are using some hard to light modern powder.
I would not go shorter than 32 and over 38 might be heavy by some standards.
Dan
 
One of the reasons that I want a .32 is that I have a lot of .310 round balls on hand. I also thought it would be fun for my 12 year old son to shoot and economical with powder.

The consensus seems to be about 32" for the barrel length and I will go with a #11 nipple.

Can anyone suggest where I can find traditionally styled aperture and globe sights? Where would it be best to mount the rear aperture on a H&A style underhammer?
 
Old Ford,
Take downs are easy with the Deer Creed type of action. I built one yeasrs aga for my grandson with a .36 caliber rifle barrel and a 20ga vent rib barrel that he shot trap with. 3 set screws and away you go.
Mark
 
Numrich used a "lollypop" style peep sight with the recievers pre-drilled and tapped for the base to screw in. I recall John Taylor built one for a rifle of his make, perhaps a call to him would get you what you want. I've been scouring the net and every BP show within 100 miles and am yet to find one of the old Numrich versions. I have used a Williams reciever sight made for the Remington 870 with success. As I've aged, shooting with metallic sights has become an ever increasing challenge to the point I'm seriously considering mounting glass on my underhammer deer rifle.


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