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I have an L&R Manton lock that I need to order flints for.

which size and type of flint should I use? The L&R website recommends a 5/8" flint. From what I've read, it seems that the consensus is that it should strike about 2/3 up the frizzen. When I move my oak dummy flint out to this point I get about 3/4" heavy from the striking edge back to the jaw screw. If I move it back much farther, the top jaw hits the frizzen before the flint does. Are flints measured by the short flat surface or the overall length? :confused:
 
Remember you are going to wrap the flint with a leather, that will shorten the length. The width should the width of the frizzen. I would recommend Rich Pierce white Missouri flints. Good price, and good service, and they make sparks big time.

Bill
 
I meant that it will shorten the length of the flint you will need, even if you notch the leather. My brain knew what I was trying to say, but my fingers got confused. :)

Bill
 
I have used both in my rifle, the 5/8 flint fits great, the 3/4 will actually touch the frizzen at half ****, just barely, depends on the distributer.

Also depends on bevel up or bevel down as the firzzen gets closer to the flint near the top, you actually want the rock to strike the frizzen in the top third,
In my experience, YMMV
 
The length of the flint will not appreciably affect where on the frizzen the flint hits. That is a function of the geometry of the hammer to the frizzen. In my lock's case the flint will strike the frizzen about midway.You want to secure the flint in the frizzen so that the sharp edge of the flint is a hair or two from the face of the frizzen.Try bevel up and down to see which direction functions best in your lock. L & R has been making those locks for quite a while, they should know which size is the best fit. Keep in mind you can get 5/8 x 5/8 or 5/8 x 3/4 flints. Track of the Wolf has a great selection of sorted sizes. Other sources you may have to play with more. No biggie, I have knapped the front of flints to get them to fit and I have knapped notches in the back side to get them to fit around the jaw screw if necessary. It is preferable that they fit without knapping, but you gotta do what ya gotta do.
 
Does bevel up or bevel down affect how the flint wears? I understand that it continues to knap itself as it is thrown against the frizzen? Can you shim it forward with heavier leather as it wears or does it just get dull?
 
That doesn't always hold true.....If you use a flint the width of the frizzen, every Large Siler would use a flint 7/8" wide flint & we both know that would not work well.....
A Large Siler uses a std 3/4" flint, which is 3/4" wide & 7/8" long. Also, a Late Ketland uses a standard 3/4" flint, yet the frizzen is aprox 3/4 wide on it. So there is no standardization of frizzen width determining the flint size. You can move a flint to make it wear evenly on the frizzen face it is is not as wide as the face.

The geometry of the lock & how it is set up determines the flint size, not the width of the frizzen. IMHO

Keith Lisle
 
You want to secure the flint in the frizzen so that the sharp edge of the flint is a hair or two from the face of the frizzen.

Would this be in the half **** position?

Am I correctly understanding that flint size, i.e. 5/8, 3/4, and 7/8, refers to the width of the flint?

Is wrapping in leather preferable to lead?
 
Flint size is often given as length. Sometimes as length and width. Leather vs lead is a long time controversy. There are people who swear by one and at the other. Myself I have had better results with leather, some prefer lead. If you try lead it must be soft!Not WW lead. :idunno: :idunno:
 
Bewvel up or Bevel down affects the ANGLE of IMPACT of the flint's edge to the frizzen, by moving the POI up or down on the frizzen. If the angle is too SQUARE to the frizzen face, you bash and break more flint off. So, yes, the position of the flint does affect wear.

Yes, you wedge the flint forward as it wears down.
That's why GOD made trees( twigs) and bushes( more twigs).

The flint sharpens itself( Knapp, or self knapping) ONLY if the Angle of Impact of the edge to the frizzen is at 60 degrees, and the flint strikes about 3/3 of the way UP the face of the frizzen from the bottom of the frizzen at its "HEEL". ( If you look at a frizzen from the side( Profile) it resembles the human foot. )

Even with the flint in the correct position in the jaws, with the proper angle of Impact, the flint will wear down and become duller. You can knapp the flint without removing it from the jaws, however.

With the gun empty, cradle the gun in your arm, and ( assuming you are RHed, and shooting a RH lock) use your left Thumb to lift the frizzen up using the piece of skin next to your thumb nail. Lift the frizzen up only enough ( about 1/2 -3/4") so that when you manually lower the ****, the edge rests against the thickest part of the HEEL of the frizzen. Hold the frizzen at that posiiton, making sure your thumb is forward enough on the lock so that NO Part of your thumb extends BACK behind the edge of that Heel. Now, with your right hand, **** the **** back to the full **** notch, and pull the trigger.

The flint will strike the heel at a very sharp angle, chipping off a slice of flint off the Bottom edge of the dulled flint. BINGO! Instance sharp edge, and its sharp across the width of the flint.

All you have to do is re-adjust the distance between the edge of the new sharp flint, and the face of the frizzen, when the **** is at half-****, and the frizzen is closed, tighten down the **** screw, and you are ready to go. Before loading or priming, test the flint by firing a couple of sparks. This will make sure that you have the **** screw tight enough, so that the flint doesn't move back or sideways in its new position. ( and that your wedges/twigs are working for you.)

When I wrap my flints in lead, about 5 strikes of the flint in a new position will adjust the grip of the soft lead on the slick flint. I always re tighten my **** screw after 5 strikes, and I usually get some movement of that screw when I do. Out of habit, I will do the same thing using leather wraps, but some leathers( raw hide, parfletche, thin leather that has been soaked, then squeezed dry, and clamped in a vice to force all the water out of the leather until it dries) are almost harder than soft lead, and don't need to be "squeezed" more after a couple of strikes.
 
Keep in mind that although locks are mass produced and assembled by specialists, they vary quite a bit. If given the chance I can usually pick the best functioning lock from a pile of "duplicates" every time. If I had, say 12 locks from the same manufacturer, same model, I would find that the same flint will differ in distance from the frizzen by at least 1/16" from closest to furthest, and maybe 1/8". Small variations in the ****, tumbler notches, sear length all conspire to create variability.

Paul is right that bevel up or down makes a big difference in where the flint striks the frizzen. **** design and throw cause some locks to have that tendency to have the top jaw strike the frizzen if the flint is too short. I fix that by unbending the **** a little.

Flint width only matters to me when it's too narrow. Easy to mount a wide flint off-center to prevent it striking the barrel.
 

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