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Question on French flintlocks

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BLAHMAN

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As part of an ongoing debate elsewhere, where all French made flintlock locks made with a seperate pan?

Who's got info on this? Any websites you can direct me too?
 
Remember that the debate "elsewhere" was primarily on military locks of the mid 18th Century to the early 19th Century (though it also extended back to those of the late 17th C. as well) and extended to the military locks used by other European nations and the US as well. It was inspired by a European military lock (6 and 1/4 inch long lock plate?) with a separable pan that you felt may have indicated that the lock was a reconversion to flint. If you will check back there you will see that there are other sources of information that have been added since your last post. It may be true that some French civilian locks had pans forged as part of the plate or forge welded to the plate as was the primary practice in England, but not so in most French and other European armories.

Websites may help some, a few were pointed out to you, but there is little that has been found yet. Maybe someone here will be able to show us something? I hope so. For the time being, books still seem to be the main source of information on French military arms.

The long and the short of it is that Bud Siler did not invent the idea of the separable pan, it was in use long before the modern era.

As a last thought, I might add that that it seems that the separable pan was also used on most French trade guns.
 
I have posted the question on a French forum I am a member of. The M1763 pattern lock already had removable iron pan fixed with screws, the M1777 onwards of course had the well known removable brass pan. I am waiting to hear about the earlier patterns of lock.
 
Just had it confirmed that from the first French standard musket (the M1717) all the pans were fixed with screws, thus being easily replacable. This information comes from the great series of books by Jean Bodroit
 
Yes, I am told the lock drawings in that volume clearly show the pan is held by screws. I keep on meaning to get the four volumes of his book, perhaps I should put them on my Christmas list.
 
While I am sure that the question has been answered pretty well, maybe there are others with thoughts on the subject? The "Flintlock Rifles" Forum may not be exactly the correct place for the French lock subject (Blahman originally posted it on the "Firearm Research" Forum and that may have been more appropriate) but the separable pan lock was used on other European nations besides France.
 
I have several French sporting locks from the 18th century and all of them have the locks forged as part of the plate. I also have an original french musket lock the same way. So---- some were some weren't
 
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