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Re-facing a frizzen
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Pete G
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I'm not sure how glue would hold up to the impact that a frizzen takes. :hmm:
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just by way of 'dumb questions,' does the thickness of a hacksaw blade substantially change the geometry of the frizzen/**** pivot point?
MSW said:
I once had a frizzen saw blade soled. The 'smith who did the job thought it changed the geometry. So, he ground down the face to accomodate the blade thickness. Worked fine for years. Then I sold the rifle to a friend. He didn't like the sole being there so he removed it. Lock continued to spark just fine after that. Go figger.
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No. Not to a measurable degree, if we are talking a common hacksaw blade. I would rather use Brownell's 1095 spring stock, if given a choice. I have been told that box banding is 1095, but I have never tried it for re-facing.
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Wick Ellerbe said:
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I have heard the same, but, regrettably, we've started using the plastic stuff at the mill when we band skids of free sheet. I doubt it would spark very well.
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the steel box banding i have scrounged, when hardened but not tempered,when struck with a hammer, shatters like glass. it should be a good candidate for frizzen re-soling and as fletho mentioned, will be tempered by the soldering process is you do it correctly.
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Remember it takes 3 things for a fire oxygen, heat, and fuel.
Carbon = fuel
Oxygen= air
Heat=friction
No matter how hard the frizzen if there is no carbon aka fuel you will not have fire aka spark
Carbon = fuel
Oxygen= air
Heat=friction
No matter how hard the frizzen if there is no carbon aka fuel you will not have fire aka spark
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Commodore Swab said:
Not sure what you are getting at. If eggwelders test piece shattered as he describes, it is a very good indication that the steel has a high carbon content. Exactly how high may be in question, but very likely high enough.
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Wick Ellerbe said:
While not carved in stone, from personal experience I would say that it's possible, depending on the lock. I reconverted
an original 1816 lock back to flint. The replacement frizzen quit sparking after about 20 strikes and resisted hardening efforts
even when done by a pro. The half sole took care of that issue
but I have to pay close attention to the size of the flint and
how it's positioned, otherwise the lock is a flint basher. The standard method of positioning the flint close to the frizzen
face at half **** resulted in hitting it to high up, with poor sparks since it wasn't scraping the face.
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Are you implying that a steel with a low carbon content is incapable of being hardened without adding carbon? I was of the understanding that one of the aspects that made Kasenit good for frizzens was that it imparted carbon into the surface of the steel and then hardened the carbon steel surface.
Correct me if Im wrong but there are hardeners out there that will harden steels without imparting carbon into the surface. I believe this is the primary difference between cherry red and Kasenit.
Correct me if Im wrong but there are hardeners out there that will harden steels without imparting carbon into the surface. I believe this is the primary difference between cherry red and Kasenit.
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Your wrong! Carbon must be infused or present to begin with to harden all steel alloys I'm aware of.
Carbon must be infused or present to begin with to harden all steel alloys I'm aware of.
Yes. Low carbon steel must have carbon introduced into the surface for it to harden.Commodore Swab said:
Kasenit and Cherry Red both impart extra carbon into the steels surface.
Kasenit uses a ferrocyanide salt which is one of the main reasons several countries have banned it.
Cyanide is a mixture of carbon and nitrogen which explains where the carbon is coming from.
In truth, the cyanide is locked up in a harmless way that won't cause problems.
The pure cyanide is not released to the air as a gas or as a powder on the part although I wouldn't recommend eating it.
As is often the case, ignorance and fear is what led to countries banning it for public use.
Cherry Red does not use a cyanide salt in it.
Rather, it uses Chromium Oxide and Potasium Nitrate along with non toxic things.
These non toxic, secret things (The maker of Cherry Red refuses to tell anyone what they (it?) are) provide the carbon for the process.
There are steels out there that use other elements with carbon to impart hardness. Boron and nitrogen are a couple. H1 is considered a steel, but I don't know if it has any carbon. If you are talking PC then I do not believe I have read of any case hardening that did not increase the points of carbon.
Just checked Myodo H1 steel and it has 15 points of C.
Just checked Myodo H1 steel and it has 15 points of C.
Onojutta
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Does anyone have any pictures they can post of what a frizzen soled with a hacksaw blade looks like?
