It seems that "everone" has a t/c 50c barrel laying around, at the same time it seems that "everone" wants a 40c or 36c barrel. Why can't you have a t/c 50c reamed out and a 40 or 36 or 32 sleve put in. Don't they to this on some of the older CF's?? Slap the barrel with breech plug still in, in lathe, reamout, cool down sleve and heat up barrel, slide in place, cut and crown? There has to be a good reason this is not being done!
Recycleing t/c barrels
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Mainly for the price of doing so, you could buy a used or possibly a NIB Crockett from someone, have a lighter small bore that actually is quite accurate & quite comfortable to shoot !
And for me that is hands down the way to go with the $ spent, rather than trying to resurrect a used T/C barrel. :thumbsup:
And for me that is hands down the way to go with the $ spent, rather than trying to resurrect a used T/C barrel. :thumbsup:
I agree with birddog6.
Sure, there are places which would reline a TC barrel with a smaller bore sleeve but it is expensive.
I also know of no one who makes sleeves with the slow twist and deep grooves most roundball shooters favor.
Many of the guns which are relined with a new barrel liner are original hard to find guns which are in good shape except the barrels went thru that time in history when blackpowder was the only propellent and the barrels were not cleaned properly. Old Winchesters and Ballards which are worth thousands are good examples of these.
Other items that were hell on barrels was the old style corrosive primers and some of the early smokeless powders which were corrosive.
Many feel that these old guns are worth the expense of relining.
The other kind of guns which are sometimes relined are the very expensive models which were chambered for the .220 swift and other similar cartridges that are very hard on their barrels (right in front of the chamber).
Sure, there are places which would reline a TC barrel with a smaller bore sleeve but it is expensive.
I also know of no one who makes sleeves with the slow twist and deep grooves most roundball shooters favor.
Many of the guns which are relined with a new barrel liner are original hard to find guns which are in good shape except the barrels went thru that time in history when blackpowder was the only propellent and the barrels were not cleaned properly. Old Winchesters and Ballards which are worth thousands are good examples of these.
Other items that were hell on barrels was the old style corrosive primers and some of the early smokeless powders which were corrosive.
Many feel that these old guns are worth the expense of relining.
The other kind of guns which are sometimes relined are the very expensive models which were chambered for the .220 swift and other similar cartridges that are very hard on their barrels (right in front of the chamber).
Zonie said "I also know of no one who makes sleeves with the slow twist and deep grooves most roundball shooters favor." This makes sence. However, it is a shame. I know of no other production rifle that is as beautiful as a T/C Hawkins with a nice piece of wood. Maybe, if we were not buying these cheep imports, T/ C would make some good 40cal, with deep groves.
I wouldn't know...... Don't have, shoot, or work on any of those kind of rifles & have no inclination to do so...... :winking:
The Traditions "Crocket" is a .32 cal. percussion rifle, and quite a nice lil rifle for the money, IMHO. :thumbsup: Very good lil rifle to start a kid into BP with.
The Traditions "Crocket" is a .32 cal. percussion rifle, and quite a nice lil rifle for the money, IMHO. :thumbsup: Very good lil rifle to start a kid into BP with.
I agree those TC guns arn't worth the material they are made of.When I first got into this CVA,TC,and perhaps others weren't around.Everybody made their own, no matter how bad they came out when we were done,but we all sure learned a lot.It seems today everything is too easy and nobody learns anything today therefore the questions that come up I can't believe.Probably the best builders today went through the samr thing.That is why they are good now!!!
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I think you must be agreeing with yourself, cause I didn't see where anyone made a statement such as that.
IMHO, the T/C is a fine firearm with a better warranty than ANY firearm I know, and it is worthy of the price it demands, nothing more. ( :shocked2: Lordy I can't believe I am taking up for T/C !) :redface:
No, I am not a diehard fan of any of the production rifles, as I build my own rifles. But I own a T/C, a Lyman & a CVA and have had no problems from Any of them, other than user error over 30 years ago..... which IMHO is what is the normal problem incurred with most BP firearm shooters, that being their lack of knowing what they are doing = the "It is the rifle's fault" theory.
But getting back on line with the Question, tho it could be done, I don't see an advantage vs $ to reline a T/C barrel to a smallbore. Not worth the expense of doing it plus it is going to be very muzzle heavy. :winking:
To produce a rifled liner, then bore the barrel and install the liner would cost as much or more than a new barrel. That is why Green Mountain produces a drop-in barrel for T/C's and those drop-in barrels are the reason so many people have an extra T/C barrel lying around in the first place. :grin:
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Why not ream it out to 28 or 24 guage smooth bore.
ssettle
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I took an old CVA 50 caliber a few years ago and made it into a 32 caliber. It was my first kit gun some 20 years ago. I built a few semi-customs since then. I like that old gun, redid it over acouple times. Finally decided I wanted a small caliber so now I have one. I also put one of those L&R drop-in locks in. The barrel has a fast twist but seems to shoot well. I havn't tried bullets in it just roundballs. I can hit the bottom of a soda can 5 out of 5 shots with it free hand at 30 yards so it suits me. I could of bought one of those cheap guns for what I paid in parts to change mine over but thats not what I wanted. That CVA and me have a history together and I will keep her until the day I pass on. Ssettle
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And I agree with Birddog6's reply that you must only be agreeing with yourself.
As a newcomer to the forum, you're certainly welcome of course.
But wading in and starting out by making caustic negative comments about other people's muzzleloaders will ensure a difficult, and possibly very short stay here.
So, let's start again...welcome to the forum.
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Actually, I like my T/Cs. I built three before I began shooting them. They are an inexpensive way of bringing people to our sport. I have 4 or 5 of them lent out to relatives. I put them together and we have used them to take deer. I agree that there are better barrels available, but I always keep the original barrels in case I decide to sell off a T/C or 2. I surely would not let my Green Mountain barrels get away since I will always have a T/C or 3 to use them in!
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Back to the reline question. I can get liners in 45 or 50 with a 1 in 48 twist for round ball but the smaller calibers havn't had much call. If you want to buy 10 liners then the company will tool up for them. Price per inch on liners is $3.45 plus shipping. I do most of the black powder cartridge guns at around $200. This includes liner, install, chamber and test fire. A muzzle loader should be a little less if the breach plug doesn't give a lot of trouble.
Reaming is done with the breach plug out and the reamer is pressure fed with cutting oil to keep the chips out. I give .002" clearance on the liner and use loctite to hold the liner in.
I prefer not to reline high pressure cartridges like the 30-06 or any other that is over 40,000 PSI. Most of these rifle will do better with a new barrel.
Green Mountain has drop in barrels for the TC for around $212. Seems that would be the way to go unless you want to keep the TC markings on the barrel.
Reaming is done with the breach plug out and the reamer is pressure fed with cutting oil to keep the chips out. I give .002" clearance on the liner and use loctite to hold the liner in.
I prefer not to reline high pressure cartridges like the 30-06 or any other that is over 40,000 PSI. Most of these rifle will do better with a new barrel.
Green Mountain has drop in barrels for the TC for around $212. Seems that would be the way to go unless you want to keep the TC markings on the barrel.
ss1,
Just checked UPS and my new GM 32 x .40 is almost here!
hopefully I will get along with the breech setup.
Been some good comments above, I like the idea of punching out to a smoothbore, although a liner would revive a bad barrel to whatever one would want.
whatever you do,keep us abreast!
Imet my goal of building the tc hawken and will be storing a virgin barrel (.50) no caps, no powder, no balls!!! and for a kit gun, the barrel is not numbered to a kit! no K before the numbers, might be a rarity, I dont know.
If the classified return, we might see it there, where ever there is!
Brett
Just checked UPS and my new GM 32 x .40 is almost here!
hopefully I will get along with the breech setup.
Been some good comments above, I like the idea of punching out to a smoothbore, although a liner would revive a bad barrel to whatever one would want.
whatever you do,keep us abreast!
Imet my goal of building the tc hawken and will be storing a virgin barrel (.50) no caps, no powder, no balls!!! and for a kit gun, the barrel is not numbered to a kit! no K before the numbers, might be a rarity, I dont know.
If the classified return, we might see it there, where ever there is!
Brett
