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mattybock

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So far I've been in muzzleloading for about a year and a half, but just can't seen to find some very specific information I've been hunting for. Maybe someone here cane help me out.
Let's say I was in Tennessee, around 1780 to 1820, and I had a notion to go hunting. We all know about the guns, and the clothing and the game, but what's in the bag?
Can anyone show me a list of what the average hunter carried in his bag? My biggest problem is with ball pullers, patch worms, bullet boards v. bullet bags/pouches, and whether tins or horns where more common to carry persussion caps in (if we were to jump forward in time to the 1830s)
Did the hunter make these himself, did they come with the gun (much like the bullet mold, or so I hear), or did they have to be bought from a tool maker? What were they made of (iron, steel, bronze), how did the fit onto the ramrods of the time, and most importantly- what did they look like?

I have yet to see a single picture of a period, non-military rifle accessorie that fits onto a wooden ramrod.
 
I reckon these fellers was so poor, their poor friends didnt have no cameras :idunno:

Ive seen a few pics though couldnt tell for sure what date though, I doubt there is a comprehensive list, susbsitence hunters probably just grabbed whatever was available to carry their gear and barring that made what they could from what they had and I bet no 2 carried identical gear

modern day analogy: I used to hunt with a guy all the time he had a spare coat we called the "wino coat" if someone forgot their jacket they got to use this smelly ragged old coat, 100% wool mind ya never got cleaned looked like a sport coat from the 40s with lapel and all

thing was it had big pockets I could carry my 6 1/2" S&W Model 29 in one pocket and a box of 50 rounds in the other, it balanced out nicely and I could keep it buttoned up and still draw down, warmest hunting coat I ever wore!

(in Texas)
 
Welcome to the forum mattybock :grin:
You have pretty wide open questions there. I'd recomend reading some in this section; http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/fusionbb/showforum.php?fid/34/
If you go to the bottom of the page and re-set the "Show Posts age" to a year you'll find ten pages to scroll through. There are tons of pictures, paintings , links and lists to be found. And some very knowledgable folks.
You kinda have to narrow down a bit and look a little closer at the forest so you can see the trees. :thumbsup:

Here's some examples of things that fit on rods as early as 1762,, http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Cate...tId=6&subId=49&styleId=165&PageSize=10&Page=1
 
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I think I just had a PC panic attack? I suppose if anyone reads this older posting I'll narrow down the question for them;

- What did the civilian (non-military) gun tools of the common man tools like around 1810 or so?

Thanks for the help fellas. I just bought a few tools from Track of the Wolf's website, all quality stuff, and American made as far as I know, but I would like to know if the rod tools I am using are PC enough when compared to the real stuff available back then.

If anyone has a link of can post a picture of what the poor man might carry for his ramrod, a guy in Texas would be very grateful. Thanks.
 
If you can find a copy of Madison Grant's book "The Kentucky Rifle Hunting Pouch" you will see a lot of items carried by the early hunters. One pouch contained "...bullet mold, leather lock cover, priming horn, bullet pouch, loading block, powder measure, vent pick, patch knife, utility folding knife, game calls and flint napper." The pouch also contained knife and fork, salt horn, horn spoon, spectacles in a tin case, tobacco pouch and a compass.
 
mattybock said:
So far I've been in muzzleloading for about a year and a half, but just can't seen to find some very specific information I've been hunting for. Maybe someone here cane help me out.
Let's say I was in Tennessee, around 1780 to 1820, and I had a notion to go hunting. We all know about the guns, and the clothing and the game, but what's in the bag?
Can anyone show me a list of what the average hunter carried in his bag? My biggest problem is with ball pullers, patch worms, bullet boards v. bullet bags/pouches, and whether tins or horns where more common to carry persussion caps in (if we were to jump forward in time to the 1830s)
Did the hunter make these himself, did they come with the gun (much like the bullet mold, or so I hear), or did they have to be bought from a tool maker? What were they made of (iron, steel, bronze), how did the fit onto the ramrods of the time, and most importantly- what did they look like?


I have yet to see a single picture of a period, non-military rifle accessorie that fits onto a wooden ramrod.

See page 257 "Kentucky Rifles & Pistols 1750-1850"
But there is not cleaning equipment. It may have been in the rifles patch box or the rifle was separated from the pouch and the tools went with the rifle. A "tow worm" and a "ball puller" would have been typical.
Rod ends of the time did not necessarily look like those of today and I don't think tools were left attached to the rod. The went on the small end for one and for the second they tend to snag on things like grass, tree limbs etc. This from experience in the past.

Dan
 
" The went on the small end for one and for the second they tend to snag on things like grass, tree limbs etc. This from experience in the past."

Yes, ramrods were not shaped the way we do them today. Today's rods are BETTER! As for snagging on things, it only happens when you are MOVING TOO FAST through brush, NOT STICKING to game trails, and busting brush instead, or because you carry the gun in some attitude other than MUZZLE FORWARD, pointing your way through brush.

I have carried my cleaning/loading jag on the end of my ramrod, sticking out about 3 inches in front of the muzzle every time I carry my gun into the woods to hunt. When I use it to point my way through thick brush, using game trails that often require me to stoop, or bend at the waist to duck down under branches, and around hanging vines, I have no problem with brush snagging on the jag.

I once was part of a team of club members doing a "Hunter's Walk" in thick bottomland. My partners were having all kinds of trouble with their guns and other equipment catching on brush, until I showed them how I was able to get my 6'+, 275 lbs body through tight places and NOT snag brush( making noise, and setting off alarm calls from squirrels and a half dozen species of birds). Both men were smaller than me, but by the time we were half-way through the course, NONE of us was making any noise until we fired at a target. :surrender: :hmm: :surrender: :thumbsup:

The Score keeper was making more noise than the three of us, until we told him to start paying attention to what he was doing that made so much noise. ( ie, shuffling feet in the leaf turf, brushing against branches, and vines, that not only made noise by rubbing against his clothe, but also shook other branches above, to magnify the disturbance, letting branches he pushed against freely WHIP back to their original position, making a high pitch (swishing)sound, and smacking other brush and branches, magnifying the amount of noise beyond that of a single branch moving, etc.)

I used my tracking skills to cut sign, and locate where someone had left the main trail to put up targets, hostile Indians, friendly trappers, etc. so that we won the event running away from all the other teams.

The score keeper took the time to thank us for showing him how to move quietly through the woods, and not snag his clothes. He said it was the first time that day, and in his life, that he was able to move through thick woods and NOT suffer snags, or make noise. :grin:
 
Ok I will bite how do you do that? I went to the woods yesterday afternoon thinking my self a pretty good woodsmen but I sounded like a herd of Rinos. Squirrel, Deer, Jays all alarmed at my arrival to a area at one time or another. How do you stay that quite in a dead calm leaf covered woods.Willing to learn here and swallowing my pride.

Regards
JAW
 
Think minimalistic. You go to a shoot and see guys with 15 accessories laced to their bag strap and wonder how they move with all those "dangles, jangles and tangles" to battle. And how many they lose routinely.

The problem with knowing what was in a typical shooting pouch from 1780-1820 is that there aren't many that were sealed and set aside at that time. Things get added, things get removed.

I have read a typical rifle came with a tin powder measure (for which the sights had been regulated) and a ball mould. It was common to clean with tow, so many rifles had a method of connecting that to the rammer: single twist worm (like a corkscrew), double-twist worm or a tapered spring style (top of image) that the bare wood tip of the rammer twisted into. Some only had rough scouring/knurling in the wood of the rammer - no metal fittings at all.

tow_worms.jpg
 
How do you do it?

Well, I STICK to game trails, where many hooves have already crushed down most of the leaves and small twigs under foot during the nights. :hmm:

Then, I use a " Fox walk". This is fully described in Tom Brown, Jr.'s " Field Guide to Nature Observation and Tracking".

What you do, is bend both legs at your knees, and then move one foot forward, but put it down onto the ground cover on the outside of the foot/ shoe sole.

Keeping your weight on the back foot, Feel for large twigs, and branches, and move the foot either under them, or to the side of them to avoid having them SNAP under your weight.

Now, roll your forward foot slowly so that you have the foot flat, but above the ground cover. The stride length will be half the length of your normal walking stride, but that is how you help yourself move slowly and more quietly.

When you shift your weight from your rear foot, to the front foot, You will " HEAR" the leaves "crunch" under your feet, or shoes. However, the sound you hear is coming up through the bones of your skeleton, NOT through the air. :shocked2: :hmm:

Have someone stand 10 feet from you and ask if they can hear the leaves crunching under your foot. Dried leaves crushing are muffled by the sole of your foot or shoe/boot. The slower you place your foot down, the less noise you make. :v

When you have shifted your weight to the forward foot, and planted it on the game trail, NOW, you can then move the rear foot forward, and do the same thing.

If your knees tire,(they will) just stop near a tree and rise up vertically so that the large tree masks the vertical movement and your upper body outline. Take a break while you listen and really LOOK. When you are rested, and think you have seen all you think there is to see, Listen, and then stoop and bend over again before covering the next piece of trail.

If brush is thin where you are walking, you will need to stoop and bend over more to reduce your silhouette as you walk across the open areas. Animals know that game trails are used by lots of animals, including coyotes, and other predators. Prey species( including deer) tend to Freeze their positions to successfully avoid being detected by these predators. Since most deer do not have to deal with LARGE bears as predators, MAN is the one species that is TALL, and rises up above their usually level of sight and concern. You are their " NIGHTMARE", just like the "boogeyman" frights little kids in their dreams.

Practice this "Fox Walk" in your back yard, while barefoot. You can put the sneak on birds, cats, dogs, etc. that are in the yard. Move only when they are not looking. Once you practice enough, you develop new muscles in the upper leg above your knee, and in your hips, so you don't tire as fast doing this kind of walk.

( You can also run more quietly, and Faster, with less effort in this unlocked knee position. Running this way, you tend to appear to glide, rather than "Bounce" and you don't have the pounding of your lower spine that you do when you walk or run with your knees locked.) :hmm:

Don't STOMP your feet. The fox walk doesn't allow you to do this, because of the bent knees, and the placing of the foot down on the outer edge( little toe)of the foot, and then rolling it over to put the entire foot down flat.

I once spotted another deer hunter, sitting on the South side of a large tree along a ridge trail( Large night time game trail, or " Highway") that I was using to go and come back from my stand in another ravine. I did not want to interrupt his hunt, as his back was to me, and the ridge trail was about level with his head.

So, I went into a "foxwalk" to pass by him, hoping to test just how quiet I could be.

I was in Alexander County, Illinois, in the foot hills east of the Mississippi, near the town of McClure. The woods are mostly White oak, Pin Oak, Hickory, a few walnuts, Ash, and hawthorn trees. There are a few pines and junipers, part of a reforestation effort in that part of the Shawnee National Forest. There were falling oak leaves all over the ridge trail, altho it was well used by game of many species every night. I don't know of much ground cover that is NOISIER to walk on than these dried leaves, unless its gravel, or shale.

The sound of the crushing leaves that I heard( through my bones) was like walking on glass, to my mind. But, because I had already tested out how far sound travels from under a flat-placed shoe, I was not worried about the hunter hearing me. I was more worried about him seeing me, as I was dressed out in the required Blaze Orange vest and hat. I only moved when he turned his head away from me, for that reason.

It took about 15 minutes, but I walked right past him on that trail, watching him all the way, and turning to look over my shoulder at him just as I dropped down out of sight down the ridge trail, but he never heard me, nor saw me. Its one thing to test yourself with a friend or relative listening for you, and quite another to test yourself on a complete stranger who is a HUNTER, himself. :shocked2: :v :bow: :grin:

I have since learned to pay acute attention to squirrel barking, and bird (alarm)calls when I am moving. The birds and squirrels will Scream at you when you are moving too fast, and making too much noise, if you just listen. :shocked2:

And, I have listened to enough deer walking through dried leaves that I now am able to Mimic their walking Rhythm, if not the slightly sharper sound made by their smaller hooves. :hmm:

I move only when there is a wind blowing, and then only as far (inches) as the wind blows a tree branch, or standing grass blades. :hmm: If there is no wind, the deer will be in their beds, and that is where you want to be hunting them. Only scouting is going to tell you where they like to bed, but on sunny days, you can be fairly sure they will bed down on a slope facing the sun, to gain maximum warmth from the sun. The slope may be only a few inches deep, in a swale in a farm field, growing weeds and grass, but if there is soft, dry ground cover, no wind, and lots of sun, that is where they will be.

I keep the wind blowing towards me( no matter how light the breeze), or across me, rather than walking with the wind at my back. :hmm:

I am not too proud to admit that in the past, I have walked past deadfalls, only to have a deer, that was hiding on the otherside of the tree trunk rise up and run away from me. :shocked2: :( That has Not happened to me recently, so I am overdue. :grin:
 
Thank you for the info I will it them into practice the next woods walk I go on
 
Stumpkiller said:
... a tapered spring style (top of image) that the bare wood tip of the rammer twisted into.
Like this.

taper.jpg


Used with tow it does a good job.

Spence
 
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