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spottedpony

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Anyone done business with Gamaliel in Gamaliel Kentucky?
They list the Remington # 11's at $154.75 per 5000 or $30.95 per 1000 (gotta pay the hasmat too though) & also have RWS and (shudder) CCI listed. they also show # 10's and musket caps in those quantities.

It beats the $4.50 per 100 they charge locally. Gamaliel
 
Yes, done business with them, not mail order but actually at the store. For the most part it is a high end skeet/trap and upland game bird gun retailer, lots of shotgun reloading supplies. It is the last retailer that I am aware of in this state that is selling black powder over the counter. Last time I bought Goex there the price was below most. That price they are giving you on caps is very good, so long as the hazmat fee isn't too much. Last bunch of caps that I bought, CCI magnums at Friendship, was a 1000 for $31.00 and I believe that was from Log Cabin Shop's booth.
 
Sorry to say I haven't done business with them but why the shudder about CCI caps? :confused: I've always had CCI caps & primers go bang when the hammer fell, can't say the same for Remington. :cursing: Given the number of times they have failed to bang when they were suppose to, I will not trust Remington for anything serious. Playing around maybe.
 
I had some Remington, and RWS caps fail to fire early on, and the sole result is that whenever I am going to put a cap on a nipple, I always look inside it to see if there is any propellant. Its just a habit I picked up shooting off the bad caps. I did not like the flinch it was causing me to get, and by looking into the cap to insure there was some kind of compound, I stopped worrying if the darn thing was going to go off. Now that I only have a shotgun in percussion, I still look at my CCI primers, even though I have never had a CCI primer fail on me.
 
David Hoffman said:
Sorry to say I haven't done business with them but why the shudder about CCI caps? :confused: I've always had CCI caps & primers go bang when the hammer fell, can't say the same for Remington. :cursing: Given the number of times they have failed to bang when they were suppose to, I will not trust Remington for anything serious. Playing around maybe.

Its just the opposite for me, i've had one failure with a remington cap, and that wasnt the caps fault, but was a plugged nipple, with cci's i get maybe 30% misfires, or i'll have to fire them twice.
Just goes to show, each gun is a rule unto itself.
 
Most people never get around to finding out if a caps failure to fire is due to a production defect, or problems with their nipples. I have shown half a dozen shooters at my own club that their hammer faces were not striking the top of the nipples squarely, and then told them how to fix it. After fixing the problem, and replacing the nipple with new ones, they had not misfires with CCI, or any other cap.

Most of them did as I do, which is look inside the cap before putting in on the nipple. I do with it with my capper tool, when I look to see if there is a cap fully out into the slot where I can put it down on top of the nipple. I have to glance down at the capper anyway, so I just pay attention to the condition of the priming compound inside the cap, too. this does not add " Another step" to loading, and doesn't lengthen the time for loading more than a second or two. On the rare occasion I find a cap's priming compound is absent, it has saved me a " lost bird " due to the cap not being able to go off.
 
spottedpony said:
Its just the opposite for me, i've had one failure with a remington cap, and that wasnt the caps fault, but was a plugged nipple, with cci's i get maybe 30% misfires, or i'll have to fire them twice.
Just goes to show, each gun is a rule unto itself.

If you are having to double strike the cap to get it to fire, the cap is usually a touch too small for the diameter of the nipple you mounted it upon. Your first strike seats the cap, the second one finally makes it go off. Not all #11 size caps are the same size. Depending on the make they can vary several 1/1000th of an inch, enough to make a difference. Check out the rear of the DGW catalog, there is a chart there that shows the different diameters and depth of various caps by make - you'll be surprized.
 
J.R. said:
spottedpony said:
Its just the opposite for me, i've had one failure with a remington cap, and that wasnt the caps fault, but was a plugged nipple, with cci's i get maybe 30% misfires, or i'll have to fire them twice.
Just goes to show, each gun is a rule unto itself.

If you are having to double strike the cap to get it to fire, the cap is usually a touch too small for the diameter of the nipple you mounted it upon. Your first strike seats the cap, the second one finally makes it go off. Not all #11 size caps are the same size. Depending on the make they can vary several 1/1000th of an inch, enough to make a difference. Check out the rear of the DGW catalog, there is a chart there that shows the different diameters and depth of various caps by make - you'll be surprized.

I've even turned down a nipple for each of my rifles so cps fit on the loose side, loose enough it'd take a slight pinch on the cap to keep it in place in scenerios other than off a bench, thinking the same thing as you mention. ccis just have a higher percentage of misfires or having to double fire for me, & both rifles do have fairly strong mainsprings. Yet i dont have any problem with remingtons. as stated in a previous post, the one rem. misfire ive had turned out to be a plugged nipple. that makes for pretty close to 100% effeciency. Ive read other posts, and other forums about problems with the cci's also, so apparantly to some extent at least, i'm not the onely one to have experienced this.
 
Does the face of the hammer strike your Nipple square? If not , remove the high spots with a dremel tool grinding bit, and that should cure the misfires. If you look carefully at the top of your nipple, after 25 strikes or more, you should see the beginning of " Peening " of one edge of the nipple. That inturns makes the side of the nipple just below the top bulge out, making it more difficult to fit the cap on the nipple. But worse, that bevel made by the peening of the edge or the rim means that while the rest of the cap is square to the nipple, there is nothing under that section of the cap to act as an anvil when the hammer falls. That makes the hammer flatten that side of the cap down on the beveled edge, and then the second strike fires the cap.

UseMarking die, lipstick, a grease pencil, or something to mark the top edge of the nipple. Then lower the hammer down on the nipple to mark the high spots on the face. Grind away the high spots, until you can take a piece of paper towel, fold it over, place it on top of the nipple and pull the trigger so the hammer falls from full cock to hit the nipple. With a new nipple under that toweling, the hammer should make either a clean " Punch hole" , or at least make a complete circle mark on the toweling. Don't stop removing the high side just because the circle is complete, if the circle is still " thin " on one point in the arc. Whatever line is left by your nipple on the towel should be evenly thick around the circle.

When you marry the face of the hammer to a new nipple, you nipples will last much longer and not be shortened so fast by the repeated hammering of the nipple by your hammer. If you shoot every month, and practice, you should be able to get buy with changing nipples once a year, or less. Other factors, such as the brand of nipple you buy, or make, the diameter of the hole through the nipple, and what kind of load you shoot will also affect nipple life. If you are shooting the subs, rather than BP, you should expect shorter nipple life, simply because those powder burn at much hotter temperatures, and heat will wear out the tiny hole in the nipple, eventually.
 
spottedpony said:
David Hoffman said:
Sorry to say I haven't done business with them but why the shudder about CCI caps? :confused: I've always had CCI caps & primers go bang when the hammer fell, can't say the same for Remington. :cursing: Given the number of times they have failed to bang when they were suppose to, I will not trust Remington for anything serious. Playing around maybe.

Its just the opposite for me, i've had one failure with a remington cap, and that wasnt the caps fault, but was a plugged nipple, with cci's i get maybe 30% misfires, or i'll have to fire them twice.
Just goes to show, each gun is a rule unto itself.

I kept having CCI's plug the nipple with the paper from the primer. I would have figured it would burn first, but it didn't seem to. After about 15 out of 20 doing that, I got a tin of Remington caps and never had trouble. I threw the CCI caps away. :cursing:
 
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