Remington 1851 44 caliber revolver

[ntech]

Hello
I found picture of Remington revolver
http://www.ptsinv.apachego.com/1851rem.htm#top
Is it correct ?
I thoud the Remington Army model was prodeced since 1858?
But itsn't look like Remington Army.
I couldn't found any information about this revolver.
Is it possible it was developed before 1850 ?
Was there any revolver with frame before that year ?

 

That revolver is neither an 1851 Remington (I don't believe such a firearm was ever made), nor is it an 1858. It is an 1875 Remington and it was only manufactured for public consumption in 44-40 or 44 WCF, whichever you choose to call it. Remington also manufactured an 1890 model which was essentially the same revolver without the web beneath the barrel. It was generally considered stronger than the Colt and had several famous advocates.....the names of whom I've forgotten.

Vic

 

[Zonie]

Sebastian: Sharps is correct. The gun in the ad is a 1875 cartridge pistol.

The 1st model made by Remington-Beals was a 1857 .31 caliber pocket pistol. This was a 5 shot gun.

In 1858 Beals (who worked for Remington) created the 2nd model by redesigning the .31 caliber pocket pistol to strengthen the frame and change the trigger to a sheath style (where the trigger is in a solid projecting sheath and moves out of the sheath when the gun is cocked. Neither the 1st or 2nd model had a built in rammer style loading device.

In 1859 Beals redesigned the pocket pistol to increase the barrel length and add a loading rammer. This is the 3rd Model.

In 1860 Beals designed the .36 and .44 caliber pistol. This is the first pistol which looks like what we call "a Remington Cap and Ball style gun".
This model has very little clearance between the barrel and the cylinder and was known for jamming or failing to be able to rotate the cylinder after firing several shots. Depending on the caliber this pistol is known as the "Navy Model" (.36 cal) or the "Army Model" (.44 cal).
Neither the Army or the Navy bought either of these guns.

In 1861 some improvements were made to the 1860.

In 1863 The "New Army" and "New Navy" were introduced. These pistols had extra clearance between the cylinder and the barrel to prevent jamming along with other improvements. This is the Remington usually thought of when talking of the Remington cap and ball style pistol.

(Sources: "Flayderman's Guide" and "The Remington Historical Treasury of American Guns by Harold L. Peterson.)

 

[ntech]

Thank You all.
This Remington looks so pretty
It seems I can only have Colt revolvers.
Regards

 

[Ohio Joe]

If you don't mind me asking? Why is that, Sebastian?

 

[Stumpkiller]

Check his address. As I remember him mentioning before: he is limited to firearms that existed pre-1850. Sort of like our 'collectable' pre-1898 distinction in this country.

In revolvers, that limits the field to the Paterson Vest, Pocket and Belt models, the Walkers/Dragoons and . . . ?

The patent laws kind of gave Colt the market from 1831 until just about 1850.

Here's a site that lists some of the more obscure early revolvers. The Starr 1858 double-action was made right here in Binghamton, NY. My home town. Gotta get me one of them!

http://www.mntnweb.com/hobby/gun/obscure.htm

 

[musketman]

http://www.mntnweb.com/hobby/gun/obscure.htm

Great link, Stumpkiller... :applause:

I added it to the Special Interests section of our forum's links pages...

Wow, does the Rogers and Spencer revolver look like the Ruger Old Army or what?

Or is that the Ruger Old Army looks like the Rogers and Spencer?

 

[musketman]

Thank You all.
This Remington looks so pretty
It seems I can only have Colt revolvers.
Regards

We (Americans) must remember other countries gun laws are not the same as ours, as bad as our's sometimes seem, there is a lot worse regulations and laws out there in the world...

Sebastian is making due with what he's allowed, pre-1850 is better than no guns at all!

Hats off to you Sebastian...

 

[Ohio Joe]

Thanks for the info, Stumpkiller. I was not aware of Sebastian's plight. Musketman, I agree with you. Sebastian, I commend you making do with what you have available.

 

[ntech]

I ask about this revolver because its looks nice. Nicest like open frame pre 1850 Colt revolvers.
I thought the date is correct.
Colt Navy is also named 1851 but was produced since 1849.
I thought there is similar situation with remington.
But I'm wrong. OK I will not cry.
Thanks all for your help.

 

[Zonie]

Sebastian:
I know of one bright side to the Colt Pistol.

The shape of the grip, its location relative to the rest of the gun and the balance of weight makes it one of the most natural pointing guns ever made.

This is the reason the Colt Single Action is still popular today. It also explains why Ruger copied the Colt so closely when they made the Ruger Blackhawk and the newer Ruger Vaquero.

"Natural pointing", as I am using the term means it automatically points at the place your mind is thinking about just like your finger does. Hopefully this makes sence.

I own several replica Remingtons and for me, they just don't "point" as easily as the Colts do.