Back in '95 Remington Arms Co. of Illion, NY offered a reproduction of their "first" flintlock rifle. I think Hatfield made some for them as Remington did not make their own. If 1,000 were made (and correct me if I'm wrong), there must have been numerous gun builders out there making them for Remington. Anybody know who else did?
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Remington flintlock
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1816 - Legend has it that a young Eliphalet Remington II believed he could build a better gun than he could buy, and he set out to craft such a gun on his father's forge located at Ilion Gulch, New York. In the autumn of 1816, Eliphalet entered a shooting match with his new flintlock rifle, and while he only finished second, his handmade rifle was a success. Orders for new Remington-made rifles and barrels began to accumulate from the many other contestants, and before Eliphalet left the shooting field, he was in the gun business.
Not much help otherwise. One was recently auctioned but the site no-longer connects. You might try contacting Remington for info on the builders.
Not much help otherwise. One was recently auctioned but the site no-longer connects. You might try contacting Remington for info on the builders.
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Remington sold barrels well into the 1880's. These were used on ML's and ctg.s guns alike. Many of them were turned at the muzzle for a ball or bullet starter, even though such devices weren't regularly used on the frontier due to slowness of loading.
Early gunmakers (White, Livesay, and Downey)in Jackson, Oh, used many Remington barrels. These were all caplocks, I beleive.
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I could be wrong (W W WHAT ME WRONG??), but I think Remington contracted to have those guns built in Japan by a single firearms firm. Howa maybe? Dunno. Odd there are gun makers in Japan where private gun ownerhsip is virtually impossible.
In any event don't let the country of origin throw you off, they make some FINE wuality arms there.
The last one I saw went at auction recently for 1400 bucks used. Most of these were collectors guns and it would take quite the uniformed person to actually load and shoot one.
In any event don't let the country of origin throw you off, they make some FINE wuality arms there.
The last one I saw went at auction recently for 1400 bucks used. Most of these were collectors guns and it would take quite the uniformed person to actually load and shoot one.
Well, I've tried three times without success to get this machine to post the address in a usable manner.
Many months ago, the subject of Remingtons newly made flintlock came up.
To find it, select Search at the top of the screen. Clear the 1 week box and go down to the box below it. enter 2 Months
In the search box, enter in Quotes "Remington rifle" and poke the search button.
It will come up with one item. Select it and you will see quite a bit of discussion about the guns.
Many months ago, the subject of Remingtons newly made flintlock came up.
To find it, select Search at the top of the screen. Clear the 1 week box and go down to the box below it. enter 2 Months
In the search box, enter in Quotes "Remington rifle" and poke the search button.
It will come up with one item. Select it and you will see quite a bit of discussion about the guns.
Got this reply from Remington today -
The Remington Model 1816 Flintrock Rifle was a Limited Edition offered by the Remington Custom Shop. It is an authentic replica of one of the first Remington rifles built. It featured a 39 inch, 50 caliber octagon barrel with deep cut rifling. The barrel has a 1 in 66 slow twist rifling. The lock is a Ketland style. The finish is original slow rust Browning finish with Bees Wax Finish. The firearm also featured a hand engraved patch box, butt plate, nose cap and trigger guard. The parts were made of solid polished brass. The curly maple stock is full length, extra fancy, that was hand finished and featured a cheekpiece. The stock has 25 coats of oil applied. This firearm was 100% hand made and fitted in the USA. The Remington 1816 Flintlock Rifle was manufactured to shoot a
round ball with pillow ticking; .490" round ball only due to accuracy. In 1995, this firearm was legal for use in all states. The suggested retail of the firearm was $1,899. Remington Arms does not release production numbers for any models until the entire model line has been discontinued for at least ten years.
The Remington Model 1816 Flintrock Rifle was a Limited Edition offered by the Remington Custom Shop. It is an authentic replica of one of the first Remington rifles built. It featured a 39 inch, 50 caliber octagon barrel with deep cut rifling. The barrel has a 1 in 66 slow twist rifling. The lock is a Ketland style. The finish is original slow rust Browning finish with Bees Wax Finish. The firearm also featured a hand engraved patch box, butt plate, nose cap and trigger guard. The parts were made of solid polished brass. The curly maple stock is full length, extra fancy, that was hand finished and featured a cheekpiece. The stock has 25 coats of oil applied. This firearm was 100% hand made and fitted in the USA. The Remington 1816 Flintlock Rifle was manufactured to shoot a
round ball with pillow ticking; .490" round ball only due to accuracy. In 1995, this firearm was legal for use in all states. The suggested retail of the firearm was $1,899. Remington Arms does not release production numbers for any models until the entire model line has been discontinued for at least ten years.
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Thankyou for writing them and writing us with the information. I was certain they were made in the US (from remembering the add) and the price listed by Remington is lower than a similar custom rifle costs - up here, anyway.
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Ya learnt me sumpthin'. Thanks.
Well, ya learn somthing every day.... I was told the original rifle was never actually produced.. all just plans & not actually ever made is why there are no original ones in existance.....
Now, wonder where a feller might lay an wyeball on one....
Now, wonder where a feller might lay an wyeball on one....
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there were still a couple around here in shops recently; pretty certain one of the gunshops still has one on the wall for sale; can check and let you know the price and contact info if interested; very nice looking gun.
Please do look it up. My dealer tried to order one but the distributor keep brushing him off. Never did get one.
It was the first time I saw a flintlock close up and I fell in love. It was prettier than the gal working reception at the Remington Factory. I hear tell that Hatfield made them for Remington.
It was the first time I saw a flintlock close up and I fell in love. It was prettier than the gal working reception at the Remington Factory. I hear tell that Hatfield made them for Remington.
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will try to get by there tomorrow and let you know, regards, cable
I saw one of them back in 1995 at the NRA convention in Phoenix. Beautiful gun, I might add.
I tried to post the direct link to the Posts about this gun but I'm too dumb to get it to work. That is why I suggested using the Search engine.
In that post, the originator had found one of these and was asking if he should buy it with the intention of shooting it.
As I remember, he decided to get it.
Maybe one of you computer type people can find the post and make the link to it for me.
Thanks
I tried to post the direct link to the Posts about this gun but I'm too dumb to get it to work. That is why I suggested using the Search engine.
In that post, the originator had found one of these and was asking if he should buy it with the intention of shooting it.
As I remember, he decided to get it.
Maybe one of you computer type people can find the post and make the link to it for me.
Thanks
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I'm quite certain one was presented to one of the annual winners of some firearms award in the States several years back maybe NRA - around '95 or '96 or so.- Rifleman of the year award with the NRA - perhaps, or one presented to Charleton Heston when made president of the NRA or after the filming of Mountain Men with Brian keith and Charleton Heston - the outgoing pres or some such deal. - rings a bell.-( 'course I hear bells now and then anyway - eh?) ::
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I fully understand your desires on seeing an original. Even though very nicely made (in appearance at least) it may be too much to hope for, that it is indeed a copy of an original Frederick Remington. We've been burned by that sort of thing before - as in the so-called Hawken rifles back in the early 70's.
It's debatable whether Remington ever made guns for others or just the barrel. While the barrel may have been marked by Remington, it doesn't mean that the gun was assembled by Remington. This question should be passed to Wallace Gusler or one of the "authorities" on flintlocks.
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Ok, I will add my $0.02
If I remember the 1995 advertisements right, they showed the original that was on display at the Smithsonian. Seems to me I saw the rifle there in 1976.
If I remember the 1995 advertisements right, they showed the original that was on display at the Smithsonian. Seems to me I saw the rifle there in 1976.
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well, the first shop had sold theirs; the other shop has one that is on consignment, asking 2450.00; seems steep to me, but they will convey offers and let you know, if you want to haggle; also just noticed there is another one on gunbroker item # 20085839, no reserve but minimum bid is $1950.00; they certainly are beautiful guns; the local one has very nice fiddleback wood; will check another shop and lunch time and give you another update.
