REMOVING THOSE BARREL MARKINGS

[renovato]

I'd just draw file it off. It's not going to weaken the barrel. Paul's advice on draw filing is excellant. Something I'll add is to fill the file with chalk also. It keeps the teeth from clogging with chips and it helps the file cut more smoothly and evenly. Dust the chalk and chips out regularly and rechalk it. To chalk the file, get some plain ol' white school type chalk and rub the file with it until the teeth are packed with it.

Draw filing is easy if you go with a light touch. I've never bothered with any fancy fixtures and I get great results. If I can do it, anyone can. Good luck and let us know how it turns out!

 

[Parzifal]

:surrender:
Is there really a possibility that I would be doing something illegal??!!

I just want to make it look better to my eye,
Heck now Im all paronoid.

I looked into the canadian firearms act And nothing is said about m/l arms as under the said act they are NOT firearms here in the Canadas.

I am not ever going to try to pass it off as a custom or any other type of dishonest thing,I just want to pretty it up.

 

[john armstrong]

Unscrew the breech plug, get inletting black and a file and then start filing the seat on the plug evenly around the circumference. Use the black on the shoulder seat inside the barrel. Screw in the plug "tight". Unscrew the plug and look for black on the plug. File the black off and repeat the process until the plug can be tighted and rotated until the markings are inide the stock. You will have to remove a small amount material from the back of the barrel as well. While you have the plug out use a ball end mill and mill a pocket in the chamber end (Better ballistics).

 

:surrender: :surrender: :surrender:

Woah boys, I just noted that we are dealing with CANADIAN LAW!

All deals are off!!!

Is this gun flint or percussion???

Canadian law treats all percussion guns as if they were modern weapons. They must be registered and treated like any other firearm!

Flint guns are not as stringently regulated.

You can probably remove some of the trash from the barrel but the frame stampings and SN# will definately have to remain.

You had best talk with a court officer, (not a cop, they normally have no idea!) specifically the one that would be procuting such a case, before making any changes.

 

[TANSTAAFL]

Best to remember, if markings are deep, the more one draw files a flat, the wider it will become, and the narrower the flats to either side will be. One would then have to draw file the adjacent flats to maintain semblance of symmetry. But, even then, the changes made may be obvious (swamped effect) when compared to remainder of barrel.

 

[Jim-Iowa]

Tip from a newbie who has only drawfiled one barrel? If you get the light just right you can see the high and low spots.
But to make it easier try this. I use common sidewalk chalk for my files. I found that by putting the chalk directly on the flats of the barrel it was quite easy to see the progress of filing as the chalk remained in low spots till everything was even.

 

[wulf]

Why file? inlay a strip of brass or what ever and
engrave it with your name or anything to your liking..don't know how? Learn....aint that hard to
dovetail a piece of metal in place...You can do it with sights.....

 

[southlandmechser]

Removal or alteration of serial numbers, manufacturers name, trademarks or country of origin, violate federal law. Several laws in fact.

Nope, they are NOT firearms. Defarbing is perfectly legal. Antiques and replicas are not NFA. Although..I do keep the serial number, but I move it to an inconspicuous location.

 

[Eric Krewson]

Here is how to get rid of letters with minimal metal removal; use a small flat face punch with a hammer, tap it all over the letters, light taps at the edges of the letters at first then all over them as they close up. You can close them up to be indistinct then draw fil off the surface to get rid of them completely.

I was fitting the breech plug to a GM barrel, it was giving me fits. When I finally got a perfect plug to breech face seal the GM logo was on the top oblique flat. I was fed up with fooling with it so I punched the letters closed and draw filed the lettering away.

 

[Tizzy]

Eric gave solid advice....peen markings then draw file. Done

 

[Loyalist Dave]

Removal or alteration of serial numbers, manufacturers name, trademarks or country of origin, violate federal law. Several laws in fact.

ONLY true on a modern firearm, not on a reproduction antique firearm...., except in New Jersey (and maybe NYC) ...., but everything's a bit different there.

IF you remove the serial number from the barrel, how does the LEO who recovers the stolen rifle during a search warrant know it's yours?
Will your home owner's insurance cover the loss of any reproduction antique firearm if the serial number is removed (you should ask the insurer) ?

Nope, they are NOT firearms. Defarbing is perfectly legal. Antiques and replicas are not NFA. Although..I do keep the serial number, but I move it to an inconspicuous location.

IF that's below the stock line you might as well remove the serial number, as LEO's will not t think to remove the barrel to see if there are markings under the wood. Well OK..., I WOULD..., but I'm retiring in less than 24 months, and after I'm gone nobody in my department would think of doing that; doubtful if more than 0.01% of departments would have officers that know to do that...

LD

 

[chorizo]

Never mind.

 

[springfield art]

:surrender:
Is there really a possibility that I would be doing something illegal??!!

I just want to make it look better to my eye,
Heck now Im all paronoid.

I looked into the canadian firearms act And nothing is said about m/l arms as under the said act they are NOT firearms here in the Canadas.

I am not ever going to try to pass it off as a custom or any other type of dishonest thing,I just want to pretty it up.

Could always re-stamp the serial number under the stock somewhere. I think some of the 'de-farbers' do that.

 

[springfield art]

:surrender: :surrender: :surrender:

Woah boys, I just noted that we are dealing with CANADIAN LAW!

All deals are off!!!

Is this gun flint or percussion???

Canadian law treats all percussion guns as if they were modern weapons. They must be registered and treated like any other firearm!

Flint guns are not as stringently regulated.

You can probably remove some of the trash from the barrel but the frame stampings and SN# will definately have to remain.

You had best talk with a court officer, (not a cop, they normally have no idea!) specifically the one that would be procuting such a case, before making any changes.

If the authorities have all the serious crime under control, maybe they'd have time to go after a muzzleloader!

 

[springfield art]

I have what appears to be a Japan-made Miroku Navy Arms Charleville. I was going to remove the light "JAPAN" stamp on the tang, but decided to leave it as it's one more clue that it is indeed Miroku. Nobody cares if it's there and the spectators at a re-enactment would need the Hubble Telescope to see it!

 

[Loyalist Dave]

Could always re-stamp the serial number under the stock somewhere. I think some of the 'de-farbers' do that.

See reply #31 above....

LD

 

[southlandmechser]

ONLY true on a modern firearm, not on a reproduction antique firearm...., except in New Jersey (and maybe NYC) ...., but everything's a bit different there.

IF you remove the serial number from the barrel, how does the LEO who recovers the stolen rifle during a search warrant know it's yours?
Will your home owner's insurance cover the loss of any reproduction antique firearm if the serial number is removed (you should ask the insurer) ?


IF that's below the stock line you might as well remove the serial number, as LEO's will not t think to remove the barrel to see if there are markings under the wood. Well OK..., I WOULD..., but I'm retiring in less than 24 months, and after I'm gone nobody in my department would think of doing that; doubtful if more than 0.01% of departments would have officers that know to do that...

LD

Hello,
I only defarb those weapons I use for reenactments. As a reenactor I fall between a Farb (a reenactor who pays little attention to historical accuracy) and a Progressive (who strives for total accuracy). Thus, when I defarb a weapon it is to make it more historically accurate when role-playing.Those I collect and shoot for sport or fun retain their factory markings. Uberti marks their reproduction weapons much more inconspicuously than other manufacturers and I favor them. I seldomly defarb an Uberti. Other manufacturers stamp conspicuously and really detract from the authenticity. Kinda like a Confederate soldier wearing a pair of union pants, that's ok and was common. A Union soldier wearing butternut (Confederate) pants, would be very wrong and was not done. During an re-enactment that inaccuracy would detract from from the authenticity and be bothersome. While factory markings on weapons may not be seen by observers, amoung serious reenactors during camp...it would be noticed. I am retired military and was a police officer, when conducting an investigation, if I had an antique weapon with no noticeable serial number, I would have disassembled it and looked under tge wood, just like I did on many recovered items of value. People tend to mark their property in inconspicuous locations. I think police have just gotten lazy!

 

[Dusty_Traveler]

Removal or alteration of serial numbers, manufacturers name, trademarks or country of origin, violate federal law. Several laws in fact.

 

[Loyalist Dave]

, I would have disassembled it and looked under tge wood, just like I did on many recovered items of value. People tend to mark their property in inconspicuous locations. I think police have just gotten lazy!

Nope, there are simply a massive amount of youngsters since the old-salts have decided not to deal with the BS, and the youngsters must learn a lot more appeasement stuff than we did back in the day, and they just don't have the time.

LD

 

[chorizo]

By the By...this is a severe necro thread from 2007 that was resurrected to answer a comment made in 1 Jan 2007....

16 years old...that has to be a record

• Jan 1, 2007

Removal or alteration of serial numbers, manufacturers name, trademarks or country of origin, violate federal law. Several laws in fact.