Round balls vs. conicals ?

[Spot Shooter]

I just read somethin' 'bout a heavier conical performing the same as a lighter round ball? Is this true? ? ?

BTW - Hey stump killer, Zonie, and the rest of you lot...

I'm back...

Burnt' through my first pound of powder and a couple hundred round balls'. Just about gett'n this thing broke in!

Spot

 

[cayugad]

I am not sure I know what you mean when you say that a round ball and conical perform the same. There of course would be a difference in speed between the two, and energy at a given distance would also be different. As for both of them being able to do a good job of taking game, then yes they both will perform. Shot placement is of course important.

Sounds like you having some fun if you have burned off a pound of powder... ::

 

When talking about trajectory round balls shoot flatter because of higher velocity with the same powder charge when it comes to ballistics, past 100 yards conical own the range.

 

"Burnt' through my first pound of powder and a couple hundred round balls'. Just about gett'n this thing broke in!"
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Please Spotshooter!

Please get out the ol' calculator & ruler! Now divide 200 roundballs into 1-lb of any powder you want. Now how many patches did ja' uze' beefur' ya' ran out of powdur in that tin can... 200? Were you double-ballin'... so 100 patches? Were ya' uzin' 30 grains per shot?

Where's the ol' school teacher poster Sumtacks when we need em'?? I only got (B's) in math... (C's & D's) in Geometry & Sentential Calculus.... Where are you Teach????

B.T.W.... I flunked "Trigger-not-my tree"

 

[Stumpkiller]

Well, welcome back. I figured yer topknot was decorating some Crow trophy pole. Guess you're too quick to catch and too ugly to eat? ::

A heavier conical performing the same as a round ball? Hmmm. To a point. Both will kill an animal as dead as it can get. The conical has the edge in penetration (and some of them - like the Maxi-Hunter upset substantially, doing more internal damage. They're the cat's arse on whitetails). Maxi-balls tend to drill a bore sized hole right on through light skinned game and I think a round ball is a better projectile on deer, but understand they're grim death on hogs. The round ball has the advantage of trajectory, but it loses it quickly as it sheds velocity more rapidly.

As far as accuracy it's a toss up. Varies gun-to-gun and depends greatly on twist and powder charge. I have one rifle (1:48 T/C New Englander) that loves conicals and is indifferent to balls. It is the only one I've ever owned that won't throw a middling or lightly loaded round ball well.

Keep 'em smokin'

 

[roundball]

I know you love controversey, and it's only in that context that I make this reply... ::

I think the notion that one of the two TC conical designs "upsets" and veers off coures is actually the reverse of how you referred to them in your post.

The short, squat, relativly flat faced Maxi-Hunters have always bored straight through channels for me.

The "long-for-caliber" Maxi-Balls, with their slanted cone shaped heads, are notorious for collapsing on one side and veering off course, particularly when driven by moderate powder charges used by a lot of hunters :shocking:

 

[Stumpkiller]

Me? Controversy? Sweet lil' ol' me?

You may have me backed into a box canyon here. My experience with Maxi-Balls is on woodchucks and coyote in a .36 cal, and talking to a friend who used them on Hogs in the past. The rest is what I've read.

The Maxi-Hunters mushroom - which is what I was inferring by saying they "upset", but they still charge straight on through for the most part with broadside hits. I never said they altered course (though a leg or sholder smack will cause that).

 

[Huntinfool]

I say that it depends on what your rifle was made to handle mine is 1 in 66" twist so I won't be shooting any thing but roundballs. It may shoot conicals but I won't. LOL! Cause it won't handle them as well as RB maybe that is what they were trying to tell you!

The most important thing is ball or bullet placement. All other things being equal the heaviest projectile will have more penetration and energy but is for not if it doesn't hit in the right place.

"The Chuckster" ::

 

[roundball]

I have erred !!!!!!!!!!!!!

".....Maxi-Hunter upset substantially, doing more internal damage. They're the cat's arse on whitetails). Maxi-balls tend to drill a bore sized hole right on through........."

The way I interpreted those two statements...particularly that the maxi-balls drill right on through...to imply that the maxi-hunters didn't...

Sorry for mis-interpreting that...I will try to atone for my sins by promising to go to the range this weekend and shoot 40-50 rounds !! :: :: ::

 

[Stumpkiller]

Sorry for mis-interpreting that...I will try to atone for my sins by promising to go to the range this weekend and shoot 40-50 rounds !!

Be sure to throw a few "Hail Mary's" at the 300 yard gong, my son.

Sometimes I ain't the clearest in putting what my mind is doing onto the keyboard. I only use three fingers to type, and one of them is dedicated to the space bar (and one of the others is 50% backspace tasked). And all the voices only I can hear keep distracting me. :shocking:

 

[Spot Shooter]

Triple,

I lied, I had more than a lb, one of my bud's gave me 3/4 of a can and that's nearly gone too, don't know how much is left in the horn but it ain't much.

The round balls are an estimate, I had a 100 in a bag, and shot them up, I'm work'n on the second bag now. I was try'n to present a figure of speach more than an accurate account for shoot'n volumes. Mostly I suprised I burnt up that first pound! I thougt It's last longer then that.

Ta the rest of you guy's (man I miss discussions like this) again good to be back.
My riflegun is a GPR 1:66, so it's a round ball wonder, however I just found out KS in it's splender has a statement that say's only conical's for BP hunting! Modern day polecats! I don't think they meant to get rid of RB's but this just might be a oppertunity fer me to try them Lee REAL bullets?

Good be'n back.
Spot