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mikelange

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This might seem more a topic for the "smoothbore" forum, but the question I have is intended more for builders, because of their dealings with suppliers and manufacturers, than shooters.

I understand the relatively high price of, say, a correct reproduction barrel for a specific model brown bess, U.S. military musket, etc. The demand for this, that, or the other precise model might be somewhat low, so, while enough people want that particular barrel to make it worthwhile to market it, it's going to be priced in keeping with other items that are aimed at a specialty market. Am I basically on track, so far?

What puzzles me is the absence of any sort of "generic" round smoothbore barrel. I see octagon-to-round tubes sold at prices that a ten-dollar-an-hour grasscutter and snowpusher like myself can afford; why not a plain round fowler/musket barrel that's kept as simple as possible and would be correct on a gun representing what your "average" smith would have crafted for a customer of limited means and a need for a gun to satisfy his militia or personal requirements? Is there something to the making of tapered round, non-rifled barrels that's more complicated than I realize, or has market research established that smoothbore shooters aren't interested in the "non-pattern" arms of our early history?

I'd like to build a plain musket that, like many of the originals, combined features from guns of English, French, German, or other origin, but were in no way even close copies of any specific make or model, and I can't see my way clear to pay a couple of hundred dollars or more for a bess or Charleville barrel. It's not a matter of being cheap, it's a matter of just not having that kind of money to spend on a single project.
 
You might keep an eye on ebay. Sometimes there are barrels on there.
 
This is a good question that has occurred to me as well, because I needed a round barrel and ordered a custom one from Rayl. Here's my "take" on the situation:
A tapered round barrel is much easier to profile than an octogon to round. It can be done w/o switching from turning to milling. So the "problem" must be lack of demand for generic round barrels. Why would that be, we might ask?

Best guesses:
Most reenactors who use muskets want specific models.
Most shooters who want fowlers want something that looks "cooler" and so do the makers who sell them.

I guess we'd have to ask a barrel maker what the demand is. I'd love to have a generic 12 ga round barrel 46" long available. It could be cut to any shorter length. This would be useful for any militia musket, most colonial fowlers, and some trade guns,and could be modified for many actual "model" muskets.
 
I suspect the demand issue is the driving factor here, it is only quite recently that much attention to the HC aspect has been shown as most just assumed what was offered was correct if they paid 700 bucks for parts or 2000 for a completed gun, I sense a change is comming as more and more people get an understanding of what the originals were really like and we will no longer find French fusils with maple stocks, Siler locks and brown barrels haveing much of a market(this is but one of many examples)
 
Ed Rayl is a good source for round barrels. He has made two round rifled barrels for me complete with breach plug threads for not much over $100. Put in your order and get on his list. I've waited 6 months or more for a barrel but he was the only one I knew that could make me the 75 cal rifled barrel. Nice guy, good work wish there were more like him. GC
 
talon said:
You might keep an eye on ebay. Sometimes there are barrels on there.
I just bought a .58 cal x 36" tapered (1.1" at breech - .86 at muzzle) Sunday on Ebay. They come up (very) occassionally. Got mine for 60. Keep looking and be patient. There's not nearly the interest in smoothbores as the rare Wm. Large barrels that show up - talk about a bidding war. Mike
 
A couple of years ago, I was looking for the same thing - a simple round smoothbore barrel for a project I had in mind. I emailed Track of the Wolf, and at that time, they said that they had round barrels, just didn't list them in their catalog. And they were cheaper than oct/round. Might drop them an email and see if they still carry them. Only thing, if my memory serves me, they were pretty short in length.
 
I know the Chambers English Fowler/Officer's Fusil comes with a tapered/flared round smoothbore barrel. I was thinking it was a Longhammock.
 
I have a 12 gauge X 40" barrel that was given to me about 20 years ago because no one wanted a round barrel back then. As I recall, Dixie Gun Works had them pretty cheap, but I don't remember ever seeing a gun built up from one.

Regards, Dave
 
Rich
I swear I'm not kidding you. That barrel was stuffed down into a 55 gal drum where I keep scrap wood and steel. 2 weeks ago my youngest son went rummaging through to get a piece of steel for a repair on his car and found that old barrel and asked if I would stock up a shotgun for him.
If I hadn't already promised it I swear it would have been yours for the cost of shipping, I would have never used it for myself.

Regards, Dave
 
www.gunpartscorp.com

You will have to order their catalog since they do not show complete inventory online.

I have purchased 10,12,16,20 and .410 barrels along with barrels for rifles and pistols. All have been good stock. In addition they are proofed at a very high preasure level for use with smokeless powder so there will be no worry about safety.

They also have BP stuff at rediculiously cheap prices in the catalog.
 
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I guess we could make lots of the (mythical?) "blanket guns" and "canoe guns". Warning- chrome moly 4140 is hard to machine or file compared with some common ML gun barrel steels.

Trouble is, I'm building a rifle now and with all the work involved, I am not sure that saving $100 or even $200 on a barrel is worthwhile if it's not even close to something original. Better off getting the relatively inexpensive TOTW octagon to round barrels I guess, but these are a little skinny for an early militia gun or fowler, which is what I want to build. I have an original percussion 12 ga round barrel 36" long I'm going to re-breech and make a cut-down militia gun from. I wish the barrel was 10" longer, but it isn't!
 
I ordered one of the 28 inch 58 barrel blanks to see just how usable they are. I already have a shotgun with a 28 inch barrel. It isn't PC, but it is a very good hunting gun. It should be fairly simple to mill the breech area to octagon for a few inches. I will post pictures once it arrives.
 
NOOOOOOOO not the mythical (mystical?) canoe gun! :nono:
maybe a travelling carbine, french or english style with fancy mounts :)
 
I've got a canoe- but my regular length guns fit fine! :grin:

Don't know what to do with this 36" barrel. I figure maybe I'll make a later English style flint fowler, halfstock.

I could make a sawed off militia musket- as though the muzzle burst or whatever. But it seems a lot of expense to put together parts for a short "beater" gun even though the barrel cost me just $45, especially considering I'd prefer 42-48"..... :(
 
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