Scottish musket, what time period would be PC?

[TN.Frank]

I found a guy that's got a Scottish smooth bore musket and wonder what time period it'd fall into?
Here's a couple pics.

I'm waiting on a full side view of the gun, I"ll post that when I get it. Thanks for any help.

 

[Toomuch_36]

Scottish :hmm: ??

I may be wrong but, from what I know about Scottish firearms, one of the most prominant features was the lack of a trigger guard.
Could someone with more specialized knowledge help me out here?

Toomuch
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Shoot Flint

 

[Itegorm]

If it is one built from part from the Rifle Shoppe, and it looks like it is, I believe the provine on the origional was Late 17th century or very early 18th century. Nice looking gun.

 

[talbert]

THe Highlanders at least were supplied with
an assortment of French muskets as
well I think...I dont know if a true
"scottish" longarm style was ever
developed...unlike the steel pistols...
but I think most scottish long arms
were for militaristic use...and aquired
as surplus depending on who was in alliance
with whom at the time...

I admit I know knothing about true scottish
"hunting arms"...(or poaching arms...)
some must have been made in Scotland proper
for that use...I hope some one can elaborate
on this...

Great post...always wondered this one myself.

Talbert

 

[TN.Frank]

If it is one built from part from the Rifle Shoppe, and it looks like it is, I believe the provine on the origional was Late 17th century or very early 18th century. Nice looking gun.

Yep, that's where he got the parts. IIRC it's 60 or 62cal, can't remember which. I should have a full pic in a day or so. Has anyone handled this kind of musket and how does it handle. It looks kind of awarkward with the large looking butt stock but with the long barrel that may be off-set so that it'll balance nicely. Can't really tell. Anyway, talk to ya' later.

 

[Itegorm]

There was at least one type turely scottish long arm. They had kind of a funky dropped butt (looked similar to the middle eastern style matchlocks), usually snaphaunce and generally lacking a trigger gaurd. The are from the tail end of the 17th century. I will try and see if I can find an electronic photo of one to post. Neat looking guns and with the butt shape they look like they would be fun to shoot.

 

[Itegorm]

Has anyone handled this kind of musket and how does it handle. It looks kind of awarkward with the large looking butt stock but with the long barrel that may be off-set so that it'll balance nicely.

A friend of mine built one a few years back. It does look pretty odd but it does handle very nicely. The large butt settles into your shoulder well and will absorb alot of recoil off a heavy load. I liked the gun personally.

 

[TN.Frank]

Well, heck, once I get a full pic of the musket if it looks nice I just may get it. I can pick up a set of Murdoch pistols at a later date and a Cold Steel Dirk and do up a Scottish persona rather nicely even though I'm half Irish,LOL. Thanks for the info. thus far. Keep it coming. Any pics of other Scottish muskets would be appreciated. Talk to ya' later.

 

[TN.Frank]

I just checked out some info at the Rifle shoppe and the kit for this gun sells for $699 so at $650 shipped it's a pretty good deal. Someone else here on the forum had a Scottish Musket for sale that they offered to me, if you read this shoot me a PM, I'd like to talk about your musket too. I'm always looking for the very best deal that I can find because the less I spend the more happy my wife tends to be. LOL. :winking:

 

[benvenuto]

I think it falls into the 1680-1715 period
The main scottish feature, if you want to call it that on this piece is the top jaw screw and the horizontal sear (its not a "true" flint lock). There is a similar gun in blackmores book that I think he calls "the last gasp of scottish gunmaking" before the "london style" took over.

Earlier snaphaunce guns often had no trigger guard(or sometimes a "square" one) and the strange looking butt (often fluted like a column) as well as the distinctive style of scottish snaphaunce lock. There is a lot of norwegian/baltic influence in these early scottish guns, mixed with a folk decoration and old fashioned french mannerist decoration.

Later flintlock pistols in the scottish style, made for highland regiments of the british army were in fact mainly made south of the border in Birmingham. I reckon they are a poor imitation compared to the homegrown 17th century examples.