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Shipping a Ruger old army to Washington state?
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As far as the federal government and USPS are concerned, cap & ball revolvers are not firearms. They can be shipped in the mail, no FFL required.
I have no idea what the laws are in the slave states, so hopefully somebody from Washington state will be along shortly to explain what privileges your state still allows you.
Even so, you probably should check this out for yourself. "I read it on the internet," is probably a weak defense.
For USPS, you can search "shipping antique guns" and the appropriate regulation will show up showing anything before 1899 is not a firearm. It will mention replicas, etc. which the Ruger Old Army is, in terms of function.
There is probably a Washington state agency that has the relevant information about laws specific to your state.
Good luck
I have no idea what the laws are in the slave states, so hopefully somebody from Washington state will be along shortly to explain what privileges your state still allows you.
Even so, you probably should check this out for yourself. "I read it on the internet," is probably a weak defense.
For USPS, you can search "shipping antique guns" and the appropriate regulation will show up showing anything before 1899 is not a firearm. It will mention replicas, etc. which the Ruger Old Army is, in terms of function.
There is probably a Washington state agency that has the relevant information about laws specific to your state.
Good luck
Here is the rule from the USPS. Look at the definition of antique firearm:
https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_008.htm
Again, no telling what the rules are in states like Washington, so you also need to check there.
https://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c4_008.htm
Again, no telling what the rules are in states like Washington, so you also need to check there.
You could always choose to not risk it and instead ship it to KY....we gladly accept guns.
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USPS will NOT ship ANY concealable firearm- antiques included- unless it’s FFL to FFL. Yeah , you can wrap it up good and it will probably get there without incident, but if it’s lost or stolen, USPS will not honor a claim on it. Washington state?!? I’d send it FFL to FFL and cover my rear if I were making the sale, but you do what you wish. And now I turn this post over to all the people out there who will tell me I’m wrong, I’m anti gun, I’m a commie, ect….
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According to the commies in Olympia it is a deadly gun and they want to know where each and every one is. They say you have to FFL it.
I say that dont mean doodley squat and ship it in pieces.
I say that dont mean doodley squat and ship it in pieces.
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UPS and Fed Ex might send it, but I don’t know, expect to be told no.
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How do they know what is in the box?
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According to their regs they say antique pistols aren’t firearms and then turn around and in another reg say they are… I’m told that the supreme court’s looking into this business of giving unelected officials the power to write regulations which have the force of law even though congress has not been involved in the process other than to tell the agencies that they need to regulate such and so. In fact, an agency could find you’ve violated a rule and you would not have a right to a jury trial nor the right to produce evidence in support of your position… the judge in the case has that discretion and he’s hand picked by the offended agency. This in America.
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I live in Washington State and have purchased many cap and ball revolvers from Dixie and Midway. They were shipped directly to me
Well there ya go OP
Ship it USPS, it's legal in Washington state, no don't cuz it's not legal in Washington state and USPS won't ship it. Ship it fed ex it's ok, no wait they won't ship it. Ship it UPS, no wait, they won't ship it.
Hope that clears everything up for you.
We have reached a point in this battle against the left to retain our gun rights where even people who live in the state in question aren't sure what the laws are anymore. And shipping companies vary depending on who is at the counter or what location you go to. That has been my experience in the socialist kingdom of NY.
Ship it USPS, it's legal in Washington state, no don't cuz it's not legal in Washington state and USPS won't ship it. Ship it fed ex it's ok, no wait they won't ship it. Ship it UPS, no wait, they won't ship it.
Hope that clears everything up for you.
We have reached a point in this battle against the left to retain our gun rights where even people who live in the state in question aren't sure what the laws are anymore. And shipping companies vary depending on who is at the counter or what location you go to. That has been my experience in the socialist kingdom of NY.
Yup. It's in their regs as a relatively recent update, but some refuse to acknowledge it.
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As far as anyone knows they’ve never gone after any individual including many many online retailers who use USPS Priority and are shipping directly to consumers. When they do I imagine they will have to defend themselves in court.
FedEx xrays the box. I had one shipped to me from a gunshop. They didn't inform them there was a gun in box. They sent it back. The gunshop then went to FedEx and told them it was a black powder revolver and didn't require ffl. They delivered it a few days later. I asked the gunshop how FedEx knew it was a gun. He told me they xrayed it.
Respectfully SS, that is flat wrong. I have shipped c&b pistols via USPS without any hassle. I put them in a USPS flat rate priority box, print label with 'click and ship', put on front porch where the mule rider picks up and sends to recipient. No laws are being broken.
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Huh, they’ve never x-rayed anything I’ve ever sent.
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You are not breaking any laws. You might be breaking regulations… The Goldwater Institute has been working on this very issue for some time. It is the most common way for the do-gooders to limit others freedom.
https://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/policy-report/administrative-state-blueprint/
I live in WA state and purchased an ROA six months ago. The dealer shipped it to me via USPS without a problem.
I too live in Washington and have never had an issue getting BP firearms shipped right to my door...
They first announced it in 2012.
So, first they redefine firearm outside of the definition in law. Then they create a new quandary: what is concealable?
In the example USPS uses announcing the change, they mention short barreled rifles and short barreled shotguns and take the barrel lengths from the statute. That's an incredibly broad definition of "concealable."
Just another example of gun grabbers unable to get the legislation they want passed or unable to win in court, using internal "rules" of retail organizations to achieve the same goals. This is even better since we can't sue them for exceeding their authority or violating the constitution.
Until October 2019, a FedEx ground customer could send a firearm to an FFL, even if they didn't have an FFL. Then a group of anti-gun-owner senators signed a letter to major shipping and courier companies threatening them with congressional hearings if they didn't modify their regulations. Within a couple a months, all carriers started requiring FFL to FFL transfers. It is not the law.
